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Originally Posted by Chill Cosby
The existence of the thread itself is seen as harmful by the female posters here, and seems to encourage the societal reg that suggests scrutinising a women by her appearance is A-OK.
flameswin most recently had probably the best post that thread has seen in the time I've been around. It was two beautiful women, dressed normally, and he talked about what it is that makes them awesome (and while he didn't specifically name them, he rightfully assumed more should know them).
If every post was "Check out this girl/guy, here's who they are, here's what makes them 'hot' as a person" instead of the nameless parade of "Look, something with boobs!" then I think you'd have a totally different outlook on the thread. Instead, it's not about hot "women", because a woman is a lot more than just her body, it's just "hot bodies", and it reduces these people down to that. No name, sometimes no face, rarely an explanation of who they are (and often a "I was too distracted to notice!"), and overall not much interest in treating them like full human beings, but just tittie picks to ogle over.
As has been said, that's totally an issue in society too, but that doesn't mean CP has to wait to make that change for the better. Even the comments when GirlySports brought up the volleyball player, a whole lot of "I don't get it" and "Well I guess she's alright."
If it was truly about appreciation, then those comments (even innocent in intent) would cease to exist. Instead it's about judgement and titilation.
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First off there you go again portraying the thread as something it isn't, the vast majority of comments in the thread are not scrutinizing but are more of the complimentary variety... Here's a good example of a post by Hemi-Cuda on Salma Hayek: "Her existence is one of the only arguments I could possibly accept as proof that God exists, because it's hard to imagine a random assortment of DNA forming into that level of perfection"
I'm so sure Salma Hayek would be extremely hurt by that kind of talk
I'm not saying there isn't any negative comments (I didn't go through the entire thread and from your take of it being completely scrutinizing obviously you didn't either) but the positive comments far outweigh the scrutinizing ones, and if that ever becomes a problem the moderators can easily handle it.
This isn't a "which woman has the best personality" thread or "who's the smartest woman", it's a fantasy thread of different men sharing their taste of what their dream girl would physically look like and there's nothing wrong with that. Females do this all the time too, (which is also fine) there's a reason Magic Mike was a box office hit and it wasn't from the stellar acting....it's human nature.
You may think it's a change for the better to get rid of the thread but many of us think suppressing free thinking and censorship for no good reason is not a change for the better.
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I wanted to address this separately. A lot of times when something is being brought up as an issue that doesn't have an impact on someone, they tend to label it in a way that de-values it. This is not a witch hunt, it has nothing to do with the level of frequency one visits the YLYL thread, and most importantly did not manifest itself because someone had to find something to be outraged about. Not to mention the fact that it isn't a socio-political issue (though that did have a nice ring to it) and is really just a social issue.
Dismissing the harm that the female posters on here feel this thread causes as nothing more than a found opportunity for outrage is really indicative of the whole issue here.
I guess out of curiosity, knowing the harm it does (even if you don't believe it to be true), what's the benefit of keeping it? What benefit does the thread bring to the community on it's own merits that would make any harm caused irrelevant?
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This is a witch hunt, if it wasn't the member's against the thread wouldn't have resorted to extreme exaggeration and in some cases flat out lies to plead their case as to why it should be shut down, they would have just pointed out the crudeness that is supposedly there. It was made to seem like it was thread of a guys commenting on the pictures saying " 4/10 would not bang" * high fives ...when clearly that is not the case.
I don't believe this thread has caused harm to anyone, I believe some of , if not all the female members have had to deal with sexism in the real world which sucks and they shouldn't have to and because of those experiences they jumped to conclusions about the YLYL thread.
The cost-benefit of the thread is a very weak argument as it could be cast on pretty much every single thread not in the Fire on Ice forum. There are thousands of threads on CP, it's pretty easy not to click on one that is not to your tastes. ...But if you want to go around analyzing all the threads for censorship a good place to start would be with the threads involving Politics and Religion.