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Originally Posted by Chill Cosby
I guess out of curiosity, knowing the harm it does (even if you don't believe it to be true), what's the benefit of keeping it? What benefit does the thread bring to the community on it's own merits that would make any harm caused irrelevant?
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The ladies have said that the pictures don't tend to bother them, the commentary and the comments/attitudes in other threads do.
So it seems that instead of getting rid of the thread, it should be kept and moderated/self-policed like it is for negative comments, and folks can watch (like we tend to) for issues popping up in other threads. If someone seems an unrepentant sexist, send them to this thread for a read. If that doesn't work...they may not be the sort of person you want around the boards anyhow.
The whole "close the thread" argument kind of feels like a 'group slap', punishing everyone for the misinformed ways of a few. And some of those few may not even be posting/reading YLYL, in the first place.
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knowing the harm it does (even if you don't believe it to be true)
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To address this very specific point...If I don't believe the harm it's doing, regardless of what others say, it doesn't matter. Since I don't believe the harm, I don't have a problem with the action. This is essentially the very crux of the "we just want you have more empathy" argument. To see the other side, acknowledge it, and to consider your actions a bit more. But first you have to see the harm. Or at least acknowledge that someone else is feeling it.
I will say that this thread has reaffirmed my decision to post the kind of pics I do, in the manner I do instead of trying to 'please' folks for 'likes' (like I started out doing). I will likely cut back on the frequency and while I was trying to be conscientious in other threads, I will put more effort into it, as a couple other posters have pointed out, these kinds of changes take time to realize (I too, grew up when 'fag' wasn't a homosexual slur, had to get out of the habit of using it.) It's a process that takes time and a willingness to change.
To address Eastern Girl's point about language and intent...when I share a pic, it's because I found it while surfing elsewhere, and my thought was "Wow, this is a great shot! I want to share it with folks!" It just happens that I really like women (and starscapes/landscapes, I love Digital Blasphemy).
Is the YLYL thread sexist? I don't think that in and of itself, it is. But it's helped me find/avoid some sexist posters, which I do find valuable info.