[pylon]

This thread will go in circles forever.

I will leave it at this.

I have zero issues with a womens only establishment personally. If I am unwelcome, why would I want to go? And I can understand the reasoning behind why such an establishment exists. Fair enough. Some dudes are total creeps, and I know guys that make me feel uncomfortable by just listening to them. And I am anything but a prude.

I just think people are naive to think that there is not a double standard, that is perpetuated by a stereotype that labels many men, as something they are not. It exists, and it cannot be denied. But like any stereotype, they are usually all based on some sort of truth or fact, be it a subtle one, or glaringly obvious one.

If I am at a mixed gender fitness facility, and I look in the general direction of a women working out, I am doing just that. I am not having sexual fantasies about her. I might be looking at a picture on the wall behind her, I might be looking at her headphones thinking "Those are slick, I should try and find a pair." But the assumption that just looking in the general direction of someone means I am contemplating raping them is not my problem, that is their problem by making that assumption. It is human to look at things, plants, animals, buildings and other humans.

If it was up to me, I wouldn't have gender exclusive facilities of any kind besides bathrooms and obviously certain health fields. But I guess I am making that assumption under the guise that every man thinks like me, and would never contemplate harming as much as a hair on a woman. So that may very well be the flaw in my logic right there.

So although I very well may be wrong about a few or many things. I fell I am right to assume a stereotype about men in fact exists that affects many men unfairly.