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Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

If we're talking purely about the comments being a problem, and not the actual images themselves, then I have a suggestion. Call that person out for their stupid and inane comment and hold that individual accountable, rather than holding the entire forum hostage.

Self-policing has been presented as an option, but wasn't really discussed, so I'm glad you brought it up.

My question to that would be, how is that going to change anything? I mean the whole forum does a certain amount of self-policing, as any discussion forum, and it's clear the thread still bothers people.

I would also like to say that not all people think just the comments are the problem.

I have to tell you though, it will likely never stop because there are always idiots out there, and the price you have to pay for a free and open society and a forum where discussion is allowed under certain guidelines means that you have to endure reading stupid crap from people like that once in a while.

This is kind of my feeling about it, which is actually a part of the reason why I don't think self-policing the comments would do much.

I also think that having a thread like that permeates the idea that it's okay to be constantly looking at women from the POV of whether they're hot or not. Whether this is true or not is complicated of course.

Now, if someone can indicate to me that the forum, or that thread, is actually breeding hatred towards women, or is subtly undermining their status in this forum, then I'm all for getting rid of whatever that thing is that is causing it.

I'm pretty sure no-one has suggested that the YLYL thread is breeding hate. If it was I'm sure there wouldn't be a discussion. My personal objection to the existence of the thread is really on the grounds that the existence of that thread normalizes the idea that it's okay that in a supposedly gender-neutral but male dominated environment, girlie pics are okay to have around, even though it makes some people (men and women) uncomfortable.

As an extension there's a question of whether or not girlie pics prop up a culture of objectifying and sexualizing women regardless of consent, both in general society and on this forum.

So, nobody is saying that CP is doing anything that the society at large isn't doing.

Now, I was more on the fence than anything before this thread started, but the fact that people seem to think there would be something radical about not having a girlie pic thread on this forum convinced me that yeah, this normalization thing, it's totally a real thing.

I know for a fact that not every large sports forum has a thread like that.