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Originally Posted by Thor
I really don't understand your hostility here. I am fascinated by the science of human sexuality, have been for a long time. From my first post I clearly stated there's two discussions for me, one is if this thread bothers posters and especially to women here we should remove it.
Two, is sexuality is so often ridiculed, shamed, and in this case an emotional issue that I like to stick to what we know, the science, our best understanding and try to make a rational discussion of something so important, healthy and fun. By suggesting this, nowhere do I condone Misogyny. Men objectify women, the science suggests there is a lot of biological evolution to play here, and because its uncomfortable you shout down me for wanting to discuss it?
Sure sexuality as a discussion can be uncomfortable, society loves to demonize, shame and try to tell people what they should or should not be aroused by. Its also quite complex, touches on various scientific fields and its a great topic of calm, rational and thoughtful discussion. I'm disappointed at your reaction to my statements, feel they are unwarranted and insulting for no good reason.
Obviously both men and women objectify each other, its a baser instinct. Does this thread promote it, it certainly seems so by the reactions by many here. The discussion about "does this thread belong in CP"; I agreed it probably doesn't.
I have said, that I think there is nothing wrong with men looking at these photo's, because its natural for us (and women). What I would disagree with is the suggestion that is made often that men who look at these pictures should not, or are misogynistic for doing so.
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You've tried to turn this topic into a discussion about human sexuality. Misogyny has not a heck of a lot to do with human sexuality and what's natural and what isn't. Yes, it's natural for men and women to look at men and women and think (TO THEMSELVES) would/would not bang. Would you say that in regular conversation other than with your buddies? Would you walk up to a woman and say "10/10, would bang, my place or yours?" How is it okay to say it on a message board with a bunch of strangers? And what does that have to do with human sexuality at all?
Everything that constitutes human sexuality is not okay. Rape is natural too, does that make it okay? Interspecies sex is natural too, is that okay? Pedophilia is also natural but I'm sure you'd hear a resounding no, that's not okay. We are supposed to be above our baser instincts as a species.
There is nothing wrong with men looking at photos of women. You're right, it's natural. We look at others all the time and judge them in our own heads. Is a hockey message board that is trying to be inclusive the place to do that? The fact that we're having this discussion at all should be a clear indication of the answer to that question. It reminds me of my boss saying that if you're looking in your mirror while you're getting ready for work and you're wondering if your outfit is workplace appropriate, it probably isn't.
If the thread contained pictures of all people of all shapes, sizes and colours, that would be one thing. But it doesn't. It is strictly a thread to post pictures of 'hot' women so they can oogle. You're right, it's natural to look. But when it degrades to '7/10, would not bang,' is that natural? Would you ever say that to a woman?
The entire thread is dedicated to judging women based on their appearance and I would have thought that you, after your struggles with weight, would understand how being judged based solely on your appearance affects people. It is not a positive discussion and does nto help at all.
No, my picture isn't in the thread and so I myself am not being judged. However when I see a picture of a lady whom I think is quite beautiful gets a rating of 7/10, would not bang, how do you think that makes me feel? Like a 3/10, would not bang. How do you think that affects my self-worth?
It doesn't take a scientist to understand that men want to stick their dick in the prettiest thing possible. It also isn't science to understand that the majority of women don't conform to the ideal. I don't really give a flying who-ha what the perfect waist to hip ratio is for women but I bet that science could probably tell you most women don't have that either.
What exactly are you trying to 'better understand' with a thread full of pictures of women? Science suggests that men objectifying women is evolutionary so that makes it okay?
You're trying to turn a thread dedicated to judging women based on appearance into some sort of social and scientific experiment. It's not. It's just insulting.