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ricardodw · 08-31-2014, 09:42 AM

Kind of interesting that most of the comments on whether the Flames are better or worse break about even.... with a slight slant towards better.

Yet the overall poll shows them dropping 2 spots in the standings to finish 2nd last.

The team last year finished 4th last 10 pts up on the 3rd worst team. They had to be 10 pts worse to be 3rd last and 11 to be 2nd last.

If they were 7 points better they would have been 9th last.

Put me in the camp that thinks this team will be better than last years team.

Hiller by himself replacing Berra would have gotten the Flames 7 pts and a 21st place finish.

Last year Glencross and Wideman were out for significant time. Wideman broke his hand and then played another 12 games .... poorly Up to that point Hartley considered him the Clear #1 D-man.... the 12 games in Oct. Wideman had 28:15 / game and the 12 games in November 24:15. Up until he broke his hand on Nov 27 he was averaging 26:14

The loss of Cammalleri and replacing him with Raymond may look like a down grade. It is if you look at the last 21 games of the season where Cammalleri was finally playing like a 6M forward ( 13 goals 24 pts + 11) .... fighting for his next contract ... up to that point he was playing to a level where no other team would risk a late 1st high 2nd round pick for him.... even with his great playoff credentials.

Up to the trade deadline Cammalleri played 42 games with 13 goals and 21 pts and was -24.

At the same point in the season (the trade dead-line) Raymond had 62 games 16 goals and 35 pts and was -3.

not that much of a downgrade on Cammalleri at all.

Bollig is replacing Galiardi ... and is an upgrade.

I thought that Gaudreau was going to replacing Stempniak in the top 6 but the Flames went and signed Stetoguchi a similar top-6 filler to Stempniak... except Setoguchi hits about twice as much as Stempniak (can play on the 3rd/4th line) making him a slight upgrade.

It all depends on who gets hurt.... Last year the Flames lost Gio, Wideman, Cammalleri and Glencross for significant time. Not many teams are going to have a good year missing 4 of their 10 best players.

08-31-2014, 09:42 AM	#46
ricardodw Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Exp:	Kind of interesting that most of the comments on whether the Flames are better or worse break about even.... with a slight slant towards better. Yet the overall poll shows them dropping 2 spots in the standings to finish 2nd last. The team last year finished 4th last 10 pts up on the 3rd worst team. They had to be 10 pts worse to be 3rd last and 11 to be 2nd last. If they were 7 points better they would have been 9th last. Put me in the camp that thinks this team will be better than last years team. Hiller by himself replacing Berra would have gotten the Flames 7 pts and a 21st place finish. Last year Glencross and Wideman were out for significant time. Wideman broke his hand and then played another 12 games .... poorly Up to that point Hartley considered him the Clear #1 D-man.... the 12 games in Oct. Wideman had 28:15 / game and the 12 games in November 24:15. Up until he broke his hand on Nov 27 he was averaging 26:14 The loss of Cammalleri and replacing him with Raymond may look like a down grade. It is if you look at the last 21 games of the season where Cammalleri was finally playing like a 6M forward ( 13 goals 24 pts + 11) .... fighting for his next contract ... up to that point he was playing to a level where no other team would risk a late 1st high 2nd round pick for him.... even with his great playoff credentials. Up to the trade deadline Cammalleri played 42 games with 13 goals and 21 pts and was -24. At the same point in the season (the trade dead-line) Raymond had 62 games 16 goals and 35 pts and was -3. not that much of a downgrade on Cammalleri at all. Bollig is replacing Galiardi ... and is an upgrade. I thought that Gaudreau was going to replacing Stempniak in the top 6 but the Flames went and signed Stetoguchi a similar top-6 filler to Stempniak... except Setoguchi hits about twice as much as Stempniak (can play on the 3rd/4th line) making him a slight upgrade. It all depends on who gets hurt.... Last year the Flames lost Gio, Wideman, Cammalleri and Glencross for significant time. Not many teams are going to have a good year missing 4 of their 10 best players.