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Old 08-25-2014, 10:48 AM   #527
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But if you're going to fight ISIS, fight ISIS, no secret jails or trials, treat them like un-uniformed combatants, and when you capture them, kill em.
This is what JSOC did. They created an extremely effective network where it was capture, interrogate, kill. Intelligence was quickly fed back up the chain, and because they operated on their own there was no government interference. This improved the quality of actionable intelligence and at one point in Iraq the group was operating every single night taking down terrorists. The problem was everything got out of control and innocent lives were casually played around with in order for JSOC to get what they wanted.

There was a book and a documentary done on the subject. Very interesting.

JSOC is considered by some the most effective intelligence organization in the world. And it was only created the last few years.

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Marc Ambinder, a former reporter for The Atlantic and National Journal, goes deep inside JSOC to reveal that it has become perhaps the government’s most effective intelligence agency. Unassuming office buildings around the Washington area and beyond have become unlabeled spy centers that process untold volumes of information extracted from JSOC’s hunting missions, with such a rapid analytic turnaround time that the “shooters” of the unit can quickly begin planning their next kills. In fact, Ambinder reports in The Command, his just-published eBook, the integration of tactical spying within JSOC is so thorough that it’s hard to distinguish “shooters” from analysts.

Yet JSOC operates with practically no accountability. In Iraq, it ran a torture chamber at a place called Camp Nama — until its leader, Stanley McChrystal and his intelligence chief, Michael Flynn, cleaned it up. (There’s a debate in military circles about whether McChrystal or his friend and successor, Adm. William McRaven deserve credit for JSOC’s resurgence; but Ambinder’s reporting suggests Flynn is the real father of the modern JSOC.) The unit is supposed to answer to the chain of command, but it advised President Obama not to ask which Navy SEAL actually killed Osama bin Laden — and then wouldn’t tell Obama’s chief of staff, who ignored the advice. Even while the CIA works intimately with JSOC, it whispers to reporters, self-interestedly, that the unit is out of control.

But JSOC has the biggest trump card of all to play, institutionally: it works. Killing bin Laden was just the culmination of a furious, decade-long pace of lethal operations, involving hundreds of Afghanistan night raids in a single year; what Ambinder describes as a “free hand” in Somalia, including last month’s dramatic hostage rescue; and unseen counterterrorism mission from Pakistan to, of all places, Peru. JSOC is so busy its leadership thinks it’s exhausted, and prominent analysts claim it needs to step up its game to prevent nuclear terrorism.
http://www.wired.com/2012/02/jsoc-ambinder/

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