[OldDutch]

I have debated posting in here, as I didn't want to bump up this thread and give this crazy thought process even then slightest bit of credibility. Looks like other posters have jumped in with some great responses outlining the danger this stuff leads to, so I won't revisit all those reasons.

I want to just say the whole essence of this line of thinking can be boiled down to control. Typically this is attempting to control others (women), because of a history of lack of control. On the surface it seems harmless, saying you will forgo relationships with women so you maintain leverage or control over their temptation. For example, the goal is to say you have rejected the temptation of women. You have control over that temptation by staying away from them other than meaningless sex. It is framing women as an evil whose sole purpose is to control you, so you need to fight back against it.

I don't need to re-state how wrong this is. However, I do want to share what I have seen in my life when this control is lost and a man snaps. My best friend, normally a great guy (and not into MGTOW stuff), lost it when his long term girlfriend broke up with him years ago. So he took both his and her life. He lost control over her, and in a moment of complete stupidity he exacted the control he wanted over her. He then controlled his exit out by taking his own life.

So believe what you want, but realize that my friends end game, is the end game for some men who feel like they lost the control they were entitled to. Recognize this garbage for what it is, attempt to control others masked as harmless self liberation. It is selfishness and self-entitlement at its worst.

I learned a long time ago, "you can't control people". I say that all the time. Yes you can do your best to persuade and influence, but at the end of the day people are going to do what they want women and men. That will drive you nuts and haunt you unless you let it go. Only then will you be truly free.

I tried to help my friend as best I could in those months/weeks/days leading up, but he made his choice, and there is nothing I can do about it. He made his mistake and I moved on, but I am not carrying any baggage about it. You should take this same approach with women, you'll get a lot more peace and happiness than following this MGTOW stuff.