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Old 08-03-2014, 11:43 AM   #1580
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Yes, this is very convenient for Israel of course. However, every international treaty and law consider Palestine to be under Israel rule.

The fact that after decades of occupation they still refuse to give Palestinians citizenships only underlines the fact that Palestinians are not equal in Israel, despite most of them living their for their whole lives.



So, it's a coincidence that in 1948 incident essentially only arabs became refugees in the area, and that after 70 years it's still mostly only arabs that are refugees in the area?

Sure.

Look, this is not really a topic which I'm willing to discuss for very long, because it's so hopeless. (Although I can't really understand how comparing Hamas and ANC is hate speech?)

I don't really care. I have no personal stake in the conflict. If I want criticism to my views, I'll discuss it with my professors or fellow students. Or actual experts on the conflict.

I admit that I've been using some deliberately false language to simplify some points, since this is not an academic forum and really just not a place to discuss questions such as how did the Gaza strip become what it is today, effectively a nazi-style ghetto.

Now, I'm also by no means an expert on the history of Israel, but I'd like to mention that I know quite a few people who are, and they tend to be much stronger in their condemnation of Israel. Apparently reading the view of Israel on the topic side-by-side with human rights reports from the area has a tendency to make people really angry.

In any case, it is what it is, one persons attempt to state his views of a big issue in a relatively small place. Take it for what it's worth, I'm out of here again.

1) Only Arabs became refugees in the area, because the Israelis offered all Jewish people fleeing Arab lands citizenship. The Arab countries not only denied Palestinians citizenship but revoked the citizenship of anyone who could be considered Palestinian.

2) Once again, Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. They are not under Israeli rule. They have their own government (the Palestinian Authority) who rules them. Palestinians are not equal in Israel. Israelis are not equal in the Palestinian Authority. Arabs with Israeli citizenship are equal in Israel.
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