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Originally Posted by FlameOn
Public statement meant to convince their public to do as they are told, have they issue any retraction of this since the war has become far more prolonged? If they truly had their public's welfare in mind they would have issued a retraction... this leads me to believe again they are just spinning.
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I'm not sure what you're getting at. It was the very same statement that came suggesting people were in danger if they left their home and that Israel was simply attempting psychological warfare. Is the whole thing spin? Yeah, maybe. Maybe they really believed it. We can't know. Does it make it any less or more stupid? No. I have to ask, what point are you making?
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Originally Posted by FlameOn
I can logically condemn Hama's use of human shield because of the governing rules around it's existence. Israel's constitution enshrines basic rules and checks to self correct, as ineffective as it may seem sometimes, problems such as the use of human shields by it's military institutions. Does Hamas have the same checks, courts or basic rules written in their constitution? Quite the opposite actually. Again, I did not paint Israel as any guiltless entity, far from it, but you have to admit that at least they still at least hope for peace and at least try to correct the wrongs of their military whereas Hamas....
As for suicide bombers, that was more a result of the wall going up and check points making them suicide bombings an ineffective tool rather than Hamas purposely stopping their use. While you bring that up, a suicide bomber was just used in the cease fire breaking tunnel attack that led to the capture of the IDF soldier.
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No, Hamas does not have the same checks and balances, because they're a terrorist organisation, not a stable government.
Israel hopes for peace in the very same way that Hamas hopes for it: through victory. They both hope for peace, not because they expect they can live amongst the other, but they hope for the elimination of the other. Hamas wants the occupation to end in order for peace, something that will never happen. Israel wants Hamas to disarm and surrender for peace, something that will never happen. If two sides are hoping for peace on impossible terms, that's not really hoping for peace at all.
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, could you go back through the thread? The "Hamas didn't stop suicide bombings by choice" isn't true:
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Hamas is to abandon its use of suicide bombers, who have killed almost 300 Israel
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'The suicide bombings happened in an exceptional period and they have now stopped,' he said. 'They came to an end as a change of belief.'
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Khaled Hroub, director of the Cambridge Arab Media Project and the author of Hamas: Political Thought and Practice, said that even among members of Hamas, suicide bombing was controversial.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/apr/09/israel
The wall certainly did help curb suicide bombings, as there are plenty of militants outside of Hamas control, but Hamas officially ended the use of them long ago. I hadn't heard about the most recent suicide bomb though, have a link? It would be the first one since the early 2000's.
The barrier, which violates international law and it's extension into the West Bank unsupported by even the US and Canada, two of it's strongest allies.
I guess I just don't understand why people have to stretch the truth to demonise Hamas. They're a terrorist organisation, there is plenty of real, attainable information in which they can be condemned by. There is no need to change the brutal reality that is already there. It's ok to admit they've done good things, or had positive interactions while noting the real crimes they've committed. There is nothing wrong with the truth.