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Originally Posted by Daradon
Whoa, slow down. I might be reading it wrong, but I think he's using that reasoning to give legitimacy to the Arab people, not the Jewish people as you seem to think he's saying. Or at least, that the argument could be made that even though some say Palestine was never technically a country, it shouldn't matter, because the people still lived there before, even if it wasn't officially recognized. Much like the native peoples here.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but how does one derive legitimacy??
Is it land ownership, some sort of historical or holy claim, or something else?
I think that everyone technically could have a legitimate claim to the land as it was ruled by every major empire at some point in history. Should Italians have claim to Jerusalem, Judea or maybe even Lebanon since they used to rule it 1000's of years ago as part of the Roman empire? I doubt it.
Don't get me wrong, I think that the Palestinians are a distinct people with their own unique culture, food, etc. They have as much right to be there and to have their own state, as much as anyone else.
However, I would argue (and this is just playing Devil's advocate) that one loses all rights and claims to things when they declare war on you and try to exterminate you. Then when you defeat them on 3 separate occasions they complain about it and demand land based on some historical claim.
I'm originally from a country that was ripped apart by war, many times over, and conquered just as many if not more. The borders of Europe have been drawn and redrawn countless times due to military victories and losses. The difference is that the Arab people are a proud people, to a fault. They will never accept defeat in any way shape or form. And that, in my honest opinion, is the biggest impediment to peace. Accepting a two-state solution is accepting defeat, from everything that I've read and been told.
I would love to see an honest document or report where Hamas actually accepted a two-state solution which recognized Israel's right to exist.
I am PRO Palestine and PRO Israel. Why can't I be both? I want there to be peace and I think it's possible if both sides have a few more moderates at the table. When will that happen? No idea.
I was just merely responding to some narrative that I consistently saw in the thread. Didn't mean to stir things up.