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Old 07-25-2014, 10:51 PM   #121
mikeecho
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey View Post
Jarome Iginla under Hartley

0.29 GPG
0.42 APG
0.71 PPG

82 game pace for Iginla under Hartley

24 goals 34 assists 58 points

3 year average under Sutter

36 goals 38 assists 74 points

Not sure how Hartley got "more" out of Iginla.

It is impressive how Hartley comes in in 2012/2013 and the only major changes to the team from the year before are:

In
- Full season of Cammalleri instead of Bourque
- Jiri Hudler
- Dennis Wideman
- Roman Cervenka
- Steve Begin

Out
- Olli Jokinen
- Rene Bourque
- Tom Kostopoulous
- Scott Hannan
- David Moss

And Hartley when Iginla was in the lineup puts up a .451 winning percentage and the year before Sutter had a winning percentage almost 100 points higher, Hartley over a 82 game season Hartley was on pace for 74 points, the year before Sutter got 90 points and the Flames were never worse than 90 points in any season under Sutter and Hartley is supposedly the better coach.

Sutter who averaged 91.3 points a season is a terrible coach and the reason the Flames never achieved their greatness. All the other coaches combined in the Flames playoff glory years (when they were consistently thumped in the first round except for one Cinderella run) averaged 97 points a year or less than 3 wins more a year were great and Sutter killed the team.

The fact of the matter is that that Flames era was made up of a bunch of talented prima donna's who played when they wanted to play and did not play when they did not want to play. Think Ottawa Senators over the same time period, but with less heart and less playoff rounds won, and you get the Calgary Flames. The Flames in that period of time should have gone after Dany Heatley because he would have cared at least as much about winning as pretty much every other player on the core of that team.
Just so I'm clear, you're comparing Brent's 3 seasons with the "core" veteran lineup to Hartley's first season which was lockout shortened and essentially without a training camp with an entire new coaching staff and team philosophy?

By the time Hartley gets to his first full season, that Flames roster looks like that of an average AHL team at best.

Had Hartley been lucky enough to get Kipper (circa 2005-20011) level goaltending this year with all those 1 goal games, I have no doubt the Flames would have finished similar to the Flames under Sutter with a much worse lineup.

Kipper was the difference maker that made Brent's teams look better than they were, but thats just my opinion.
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