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Originally Posted by Tinordi
This reveals some insight into the psychology of the ardent defenders of Israel. So forged and hardened they've become after years of defending their existence they then take any criticism as some of type of deeply pointed attack to their core. Am I saying Israel doesn't deserve to exist? No.
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You are losing it. Where do you pull this garbage from?
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
My line throughout this thread has been consistent and straight forward. The Israeli government is run by a bunch of bloodthirsty right wing fanatics that are not only pursuing but internalizing the reality of constant war. There is no peace for these nuts.
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No, you have been inconsistent. You claim to be having a rational debate, but this is far from it. You completely ignore the terror Israel confronts daily, the armies that have attempted to destroy it, and the fact other nations spend a lot of money to arm Hamas to the detriment of Palestinians. You pretend hundreds of rockets have not fallen and that Israel started this. People like you in my opinion enable groups like Hamas, and are doing worse for Palestinians. What a great moment it would have been to have Palestinian protestors protesting the rockets fired from Hamas, rather than beating up peaceful supporters of Israel.
Israel has ZERO problem with Palestinians - they have a problem with violence. If you haven't noticed, the entire region, and pretty much the rest of the near world including Africa, is having a real problem with violence. Israel will not allow it inside it's border. I can't blame them. However, it is shocking to me other nations haven't stepped in to help - disarm Palestinians and force them to prove they can be good neighbours. I know Israel can prove it and I know Palestinians can prove it, as long as they are not afraid to with groups like Hamas and other terrorist groups pointing guns at them. You trying to demonstrate the opposite is sickening - it actually prevents people from putting their weapons down.
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
There's a line that most defenders such as yourself seem to not understand. Israel is not above reproach because of the historical hardship they faced. They are now the regions dominant power and are wielding that power in increasingly violent and indefensible ways. The fact that you feel urged to justify everything they do with the laziest of retorts, such as an Israel invented something you use therefore you should ignore the 700 dead civilians, many of them children and come to our side. Or, that other side of terrorists shoots a bunch of ineffective rockets at us meaning we can bomb schools and hospitals in retaliation, demonstrates just how bad your arguments are.
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What makes you think Israel is the regions dominant power? Israel invests in education, freedom and every other things people move to Canada for. Israel only wants peace, and those that make peace with Israel have peace with Israel. Do you think there are Jordanian soldiers defending their border from Israel? No chance - any soldiers are there to keep out groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and African refugees (with which other posters are using to villianize Israel.
Only a total fool would stick with the 'ineffective rocket' claim. Shameful.
I love the 'bloodthirsty' claim - is this a blood libel claim? Or is this something that you consider a term used in reasonable debate? Or what about the use of the term pariah? The words you choose are hateful, as simple as that. They are certainly not constructive.