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Originally Posted by Tinordi
Sure, but even when Hartley got them to play for him in the twilight of the country club we were still a bad team...
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Not really relevant to my point, but okay. I think it is fair to say that had B. Sutter been able to do the same for his much more talented teams, the results would likely have been dramatically different.
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
...Sure, he was a stubborn guy, but I actually really respect him. He wanted the Flames to play like LA recently did. The players didn't want to. I guess he could have compromised, to the longer term detriment of the team...
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Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with my post. The problem to me was not that B. Sutter was "a stubborn guy", it was that he was not effective at some point in the translation and implementation of what he wanted to what actually happened on the ice. I agree that the players were in large part responsible for this not happening, but no way should B. Sutter get a free pass. Part of his job is to make his players believe in what he is telling them, and he didn't do that.
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
...And now we blame him for trying to instill that type of responsibility and work ethic for the team by not producing results...
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Why shouldn't he shoulder some of the blame for this? If this were a simple process, then there wouldn't be a run on NHL calibre coaches. And no, he is not to blame for "trying to instill that type of responsibility and work ethic for the team," but for
failing to produce results. Part of his job is figuring out how to get it done, and in the end he didn't.
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
Meanwhile there's a giant elephant in the room that's just sacriligious to question for many fans. The one constant (besides Kiprusoff) in the years of ineptitude and failing to live up to potential was the captain. Geez, you'd think that maybe there was more culpability there?
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I'm not sure why you selected my post to make this point, since I never once factored Iginla into my suggestion. I am certainly not absolving him from responsibility for what happened, but it is pretty naive and shortsighted to attempt to project levels of culpability in a situation that we can only assess from the outside. Charging B. Sutter for his role in what happened in no way absolves Iginla for his part, and vice versa.
Again, B. Sutter appears to be marginally effective in his ability to coach NHL players to play his type of game. And I don't see any evidence from his NHL coaching career (not just in Calgary) to suggest otherwise.