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Originally Posted by GGG
Lots of other industries do bid work for free. In this case the difference between a the finished product and the bid is likely limited so it isn't quite comparable.
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That's the thing. The work is in many cases 100% complete by the time its submitted. That's not a sustainable business model for anyone.
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Originally Posted by squiggs96
I'm not saying you shouldn't want to be paid; I wouldn't do my job if I wasn't paid. I am saying I don't see how you call this unethical. You can call it cheap, greedy, etc., but unethical is the wrong word. Unethical would be having the contest, declaring all the ideas crap, and then modifying your favourite just a bit. When the designer complains, you tell them to sue you, knowing they don't have the funds to do it.
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I personally never called it unethical. I think the onus is more on the designers to stop doing this type of work that is self-damaging in the long term. Though greedy, I don't necessarily blame the organizations who are holding the contest, because people will always prefer paying less for more. However, they shouldn't be surprised if all they get is mediocrity.
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Unethical would be having the contest, declaring all the ideas crap, and then modifying your favourite just a bit. When the designer complains, you tell them to sue you, knowing they don't have the funds to do it.
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This happens all the time.
Or they hire you, and then fire you halfway once you've shown them your initial ideas (where the value is), but havent taken things to final so they don't have to pay you completely. Magically the work always comes out a few months later barely changed.