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Originally Posted by Chill Cosby
You seem awfully critical of the data, simply because it doesn't support your own views.
As I said prior, the German study you presented was in clear support of a 30km/h speed limit being universally applied in order for eliminating signage to work. Since this thread is essentially a debate about 30km/h time zones, does this not negate your criticism of it's benefits?
And as far as propaganda and an organization with an agenda goes, should we examine the provider of your first link ( http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html)? The Reasonable Drivers Unanimous site, which states some of the following (amongst other things):
The whole site plays like a 85th percentile propaganda site, considering ONLY supporting data and not critically considering any data that doesn't fit the agenda (or any data that outright disproves claims like "Speed does not kill"). Add to the fact that it's 20 years old and contains studies 20-40 years old (and nothing, that I could see, within the last 20 years), then I have to question your outright refusal to look into the citations of what I linked on the grounds that it "has an agenda."
Again, I'm not saying you have to agree with me. But if you're going to be critical of the validity of my data, I would hope you'd treat yours the same. |
I think maybe the news article i linked read wrong, but my understanding was they removed all signage and intersection controls on small local roads, except to say, yield to Right.
And yes I could see their being holes in both articles, I was not the one who posted that study I just quickly read it today. But at least they included real world trials in theirs.
They did not just suggest, if we all slow down we will be safer, without accounting for the fact that people will not slow down.
Either way, I'm not all that against slowing down in areas with kids, my main problem with playground zones in Calgary is that they often do not really make sense.
How come a swing set 300m from the road needs one, and a soccer field 15m from the road doesn't?
If there is a 6' tall fence that is impassable for children under 10, why do we need a playground zone?
If you can clearly for 1/2 KM in every direction does a playground zone really make a difference.
Why are residents allowed to put up their own slow down children playing signs, if that's OK why don't we get rid of playground zones and insist people carry their own signs around.
Things like that. And I don't think a blanket policy change that doesn't look at any of these issue will have any effect on safety, so why bother.