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Originally Posted by jar_e
I am a cop. I would say that's pretty well known on the forum (if anyone keeps track of these things). I'm sure even if you haven't seen a post blatantly stating it, I'm sure my past posts in these threads and other policing matters has made it incredibly evident.
You're misquoting me if you think I'm saying that rules don't get bent. Of course they do. I'm not naive. That being said, there's a lot of laws that give us a lot of power. What you may consider rules getting bent may be a cop using the law in a different way than you see it. There's a lot (a lot a lot) of ways you can be stopped by the police. There's hundreds (?) of bylaws within the city, thousands of provincial laws and regulations, and thousands of federal acts. Despite people saying its an abuse of power or arresting someone for illegal cigs, I'd say its strong police work as you never know what you're going to find while interacting. In regards to this case, I was just saying how the legal grounds of having someone under arrest greatly impacts the subsequent investigation into the members.
I can't speak for more than here in the city, but I can guarantee body worn cameras are happening and are being implemented in a wide range of areas. The statistics are overwhelming (80% less complaints, somewhere along the lines of 60% less use of force). I definitely haven't heard anything about the CPA fighting them, just seeking a strong policy in place to them.
Further more, there is no such thing as a "clear cut case of abuse" IMO. A 30 second clip from a cell phone never provides 100% context or even the full scene and circumstance of what's happening. Cops have lost their jobs for use of force and will continue to do so. The crux of this whole thread is the understanding of what is considered reasonable in use of force. It is never pretty to witness and most people find it crass and over the top. However, in a lot of these cases, the use of force is justified and officers are cleared.
If you're referring to CPS, I would love to hear why "police here are not models of what cops should be either". There are not "consistent problems" within CPS. CPS is arguably the most publicly accepted and supported police service in North America with approval ratings consistently north of 90% in the past decade. I can't speak for other departments but to say CPS has consistent problems or anything is anecdotal.
If you're trying to say there's some conspiring between mainstream media and police, I'd say that's a little too tin-foil hatted IMO. The media has a wide range of input and mainstream media regularly picks up (with a negative spin) stories of police abuse, mistrust, etc. Look at media within Vancouver/BC/Toronto/Ontario. They're policing is consistently questioned and critiqued. Why is that different here? I don't know.
I think being "outraged" is on a sliding scale. It's not an on/off thing IMO. You can be outraged at a questionable arrest just as much as an arrest where someone dies by the hand of a cop. It's a lot more personal and I don't think the amount of playtime it gets on the news should effect people on how outraged they are on it.
I agree each cop has their own choice of addressing issues how they please. There's edits in the video. I have no idea what happens in those spans and I'd argue it's ill advised for anyone to presume what happened in those moments. There's also an edit right before the arrest. There was probably so many cops there cause the guy clearly out weighed and was taller then both of them. Neither of them were in uniform and all their back up was. Arresting someone the same size as you, even when its two on one, can be damn near impossible. I wouldn't say it's "mob" mentality. But, there's so many unanswered questions in that video and with this story that I'd say its negligent to start presuming.
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No I didn't know you were. I saw First responder that could have been fire, Ems or police.
I am not refering to this case as clear cut. This one has no context to it. I'm talking about cases all across North America. I follow a lot cases to do happen. The Ones of the most disturbing ones are usually from New Mexico.
I am not taking about Calgary Police. I would agree they do a good job. I am Talking about Victoria and Vancouver police. This is mostly because of Cheif Jamie Graham. He has an Old school mentality. He allows the police to bully citizens. You best not let the Cops here catch you filming them they will go after you. I have seen it . He has been convicted of some things. He left his fire arm under the seat of an unlocked cop car. Leaking to the public that the had undercover officers that have penetrated the Anti -olympic protesters WHILE they were still protesting to only name a few. While he was still police Cheif of Vancouver before he resigned he left paper targert riddled full of bullets on the desk of a city manager.This is the Cheif doing this of all people. You can imagine what his foot soldiers are aloud to do.
There are some places using more cameras but there are still a lot of Unions that do appose them.
I have have had encounters with when I First bought my Mercedes when I was 20 that was frickin fishing expedition for them. Illegally searching with no probable cause. Just assumed I was some drug dealing punk.