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Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
I'm assuming your a Cop then? Otherwise how would you know if it's followed closely?
Just because there are repercussions does not mean people will bend the rules.
How many times in clear cut cases of abuse and all they get in the the majority of time is paid administration leave? I'm no fan of Unions because of this fact. At times they just act like tax payer mafia. If there always following the rules why are the unions always fighting the lapel cameras? Using the same line of reasoning as people defending this arrest, if their not doing anything wrong then there's nothing to worry about. They use the old old excuse of invasion of privacy of the officers.
I have no problem with majority of Officers but They remind me of Pit bulls. Question them and they may snap.
Its like what 4x4 said in the dog thread
The good ones are good and the bad ones are horrible.
Edit: I will admit I do not trust police fully. Its not that I have done any thing wrong. Its all the stories I hear from my buddy that works with Human rights BC. The police here are not models of what cops should be either. Consistent problems.
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I am a cop. I would say that's pretty well known on the forum (if anyone keeps track of these things). I'm sure even if you haven't seen a post blatantly stating it, I'm sure my past posts in these threads and other policing matters has made it incredibly evident.
You're misquoting me if you think I'm saying that rules don't get bent. Of course they do. I'm not naive. That being said, there's a lot of laws that give us a lot of power. What you may consider rules getting bent may be a cop using the law in a different way than you see it. There's a lot (a lot a lot) of ways you can be stopped by the police. There's hundreds (?) of bylaws within the city, thousands of provincial laws and regulations, and thousands of federal acts. Despite people saying its an abuse of power or arresting someone for illegal cigs, I'd say its strong police work as you never know what you're going to find while interacting. In regards to this case, I was just saying how the legal grounds of having someone under arrest greatly impacts the subsequent investigation into the members.
I can't speak for more than here in the city, but I can guarantee body worn cameras are happening and are being implemented in a wide range of areas. The statistics are overwhelming (80% less complaints, somewhere along the lines of 60% less use of force). I definitely haven't heard anything about the CPA fighting them, just seeking a strong policy in place to them.
Further more, there is no such thing as a "clear cut case of abuse" IMO. A 30 second clip from a cell phone never provides 100% context or even the full scene and circumstance of what's happening. Cops have lost their jobs for use of force and will continue to do so. The crux of this whole thread is the understanding of what is considered reasonable in use of force. It is never pretty to witness and most people find it crass and over the top. However, in a lot of these cases, the use of force is justified and officers are cleared.
If you're referring to CPS, I would love to hear why "police here are not models of what cops should be either". There are not "consistent problems" within CPS. CPS is arguably the most publicly accepted and supported police service in North America with approval ratings consistently north of 90% in the past decade. I can't speak for other departments but to say CPS has consistent problems or anything is anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by Shawnski
NP, it is well deserved. Thanks again.
Sadly probably not. Case in point are the two videos I posted. Not a peep so far from the CP community, and googling them resulted in next to nothing for news. Yet both of those cases could very well have resulted in death.
No outrage. Just apparent ambivalence. Independent media is certainly picking it up, but not the mainstream. Have to ask yourself why that is.
See above. Are we so in tuned to "if it bleeds it leads" that we are no longer outraged by situations like this?
I understand that. Police are the extension of the government, and it is the government that is invoking the force. However, each officer has the option on how to address each issue they face. Some make the right calls, some don't. This one didn't. Nothing makes sense as to why there were so many cops there for a simple tobacco violation, but that added to their "mob" mentality to take him down.
"Papers please"
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If you're trying to say there's some conspiring between mainstream media and police, I'd say that's a little too tin-foil hatted IMO. The media has a wide range of input and mainstream media regularly picks up (with a negative spin) stories of police abuse, mistrust, etc. Look at media within Vancouver/BC/Toronto/Ontario. They're policing is consistently questioned and critiqued. Why is that different here? I don't know.
I think being "outraged" is on a sliding scale. It's not an on/off thing IMO. You can be outraged at a questionable arrest just as much as an arrest where someone dies by the hand of a cop. It's a lot more personal and I don't think the amount of playtime it gets on the news should effect people on how outraged they are on it.
I agree each cop has their own choice of addressing issues how they please. There's edits in the video. I have no idea what happens in those spans and I'd argue it's ill advised for anyone to presume what happened in those moments. There's also an edit right before the arrest. There was probably so many cops there cause the guy clearly out weighed and was taller then both of them. Neither of them were in uniform and all their back up was. Arresting someone the same size as you, even when its two on one, can be damn near impossible. I wouldn't say it's "mob" mentality. But, there's so many unanswered questions in that video and with this story that I'd say its negligent to start presuming.