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I appreciate the props first off. Thank you.
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NP, it is well deserved. Thanks again.
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To me, in my minutes of watching the video and skimming this thread...if this guy doesn't die, is this even a story? If there's no video and no death, is there even a blurb about a man being arrested for selling illegal cigarettes?
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Sadly probably not. Case in point are the two videos I posted. Not a peep so far from the CP community, and googling them resulted in next to nothing for news. Yet both of those cases could very well have resulted in death.
No outrage. Just apparent ambivalence. Independent media is certainly picking it up, but not the mainstream. Have to ask yourself why that is.
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I'll agree that the arrest and effecting of it lead to the use of force being used which may (or may not) have had any hand in his death. However, at the end of the day, its an in-custody death and will be investigated thoroughly I'm sure. I just wonder if the guy doesn't die, is this even a line in the NY Post? I doubt it. That was my point.
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See above. Are we so in tuned to "if it bleeds it leads" that we are no longer outraged by situations like this?
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I have no idea (mostly due to my lack of research into the matter) what the original complaint was. I would presume that it'll all come out in due time. I was simply trying to provide the context that despite police and law enforcement being the pointy end of the stick, a lot of times (not specific to this case) that they may not be the ones that require anger and vitriol being directed to...especially as they don't set or make the laws. I realize this is a tad crass in a thread that is focusing on police brutality which usually is based on the use of force.
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I understand that. Police are the extension of the government, and it is the government that is invoking the force. However, each officer has the option on how to address each issue they face. Some make the right calls, some don't. This one didn't. Nothing makes sense as to why there were so many cops there for a simple tobacco violation, but that added to their "mob" mentality to take him down.
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Some may see it as semantics, but having legal ground to effect an arrest is a very important piece of the puzzle when these things are investigated especially when it comes to force being justified.
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"Papers please"