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Originally Posted by underGRADFlame
What I'm not going to do is defend the comments made on a message board because we all know every message board has its crazies that are no indicative of the majority, this board reflects that on a daily basis. Plus I would not put therant as a police message board.
Now to look at the video, the video is incomplete from what I've seen so we have no idea the actual story leading up to what is seen in they video.here's a few things to consider....
1: Just because "bystanders" attested that this man "had done nothing" doesn't mean he wasn't lawfully arrestable for a different offence (in this case the illegal sale of cigarettes). More accurately it means "he didn't do anything that I noticed in the last five minutes that would seem to make him eligible for arrest." Which when translated, means, "I really have no idea."
2: Why does the peanut galley always forget that the law actually requires citizens to cooperate when advised they are under arrest? The process in place for disputing the validity of an arrest is COURT - NOT an argument, fight, or struggle with the officer/s. This, in fact, is an additional offence (resisting arrest) and allows officers as much force as is necessary to effect the arrest......they then have to answer for their decisions.
3: Lets also not forget that cops support their families n pay their bills via these decisions....ergo.....in most cases it is HIGHLY unlikely officers such as these woke up in the morning & thought "Hmmm, think I'll risk my life, family, and livelihood by killing an innocent man today!"
4: Believe it or not MOST people that are placed under arrest lie to the police at one time or another.....so saying "I can't breath" has mixed value....especially when u need to breath to speak at all - just saying.
5: Officers can't possibly know the pre-existing conditions of every person they meet.....but this man knew of his own health issues......don't u think HE shoulda considered them before deciding to resist arrest & fight with the Police? I would have......
Just somethings to think about.
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I'm sure you wouldn't consider theerant a police message board. Just like Calgarypuck isn't an official Calgary Flames message board.
1. Agreed, that's why I didn't comment on the justification of the arrest.
2. The peanut gallery may very well be aware, but sometimes human nature takes over. When you have an ingrained distrust of law enforcement, you may be less than excited to be in their custody. The second someone grabs your neck from behind, you're going to struggle/resist no matter who you are, the situation likely wouldn't matter.
3. I'm not suggesting that officers actively seek out people to kill. What I am suggesting is that there are too many that see the individuals they deal with as less than people, which can lead to justification of actions which would otherwise be unacceptable.
4. I have no doubt that this is the case. I'm sure that police officers have the training and expertise to determine adequate airway restriction.
5. Perhaps the man did consider his preexisting conditions, and weighed those risks against preexisting knowledge/experience he and others have had with the NYPD.
While I may have been spurred to comment by this most recent situation, I'm more concerned with the greater issue of police officers and a seemingly increasing dehumanization of the people they serve.
Is it a tactic to cope with what they have to deal with in their day to day duties? Is it part of the training curriculum as it is in the military? Is there some truth to the idea that the occupation simply attracts a certain personality trait?
There are obviously larger sociological issues at play regarding the relationship between police departments and certain sections of society. Do the officers here have any suggestions on how to bridge that gap, or is that not a priority/concern on the individual level?