[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

CaptainYooh's post was anything but rational. S/He made horribly inaccurate conflations between Arabs and Muslims, seems to have little idea about the populations of each, but miraculously has his fingers intricately on the pulse of their thought processes.

gvitaly's post says that the majority of muslims in just about every middle east country have hostile feelings towards Israel, but somehow 80% of those people* would never hurt a fly, don't want a war, and don't drive foreign policy. Sorry, but that's a bunch of flawed numbers and muddled logic if I've ever seen it.

As for the disgusting sweeping generalizations on this board regarding middle easterners and muslims and arabs**, I don't know one person in my family or broad circle of friends that hate Israel or wish hostility towards it, despite their participation in many of those classifications. I'm certain that Israelis share an analogous feeling of abhorring hostility and violence and racism. I guess my experience is different from CaptainYooh's? But just to do my part in resolving this conflict, I would gladly pay for CaptainYooh's flight to a couple of countries in the middle east so that he could inform my family members, friends, and friends of friends, face to face, that they're not toeing the middle eastern / arab / muslim line and should change their thought process. I'm sure they would appreciate the clarity and do their best to remedy their misconceptions.




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* I don't know which "those" s/he specifically referred to as the sentence structure does not make it clear. In either context, the numbers and logic don't work.

** Gosh, where are all the 'I wish I could see all the posters supporting Palestine refute their horrible attitudes and tactics' crowd in calling out the ignorance displayed by CaptainYooh? Or is that a revelation of the truly childish game that it is?

Alright, let me be more clear in what I am trying to say.

1. The majority of muslims around the world don't really care about Israel;However, when discussing Israeli policies they will be more inclined to treat those policies with hostility(and anger).
2. Those muslims are not the ones that determine the foreign policy of their countries around the middle east.
3. • Saddam Hussein's dream(Iraq)- end to the Zionist nightmare.
   • Ahmadinejad(Iran)- Israel should be eradicated off the face of the Earth.
   • Nasrallah(leader of Hezbollah, Lebanon)- Israel was “a cancerous growth” that had to be wiped out, he said. “The only solution is to destroy it without giving it the opportunity to surrender.
   • Haniyeh(leader of Hamas)-Goal is destruction of Israel in stages.
4. The muslims that happen to hold the weapons in their hands and use them, are the ones saying the above statements.
5. Until the muslim world starts publicly condemning such statements, and actively fighting against those policies I consider them to support them. Have you noticed how easily such proclamations are just shrugged off?!
6. Just like the proclamations, missiles towards Israel seem to get overlooked to for some reason, just because the other side has more losses? The missiles are even justified just because they don't do as much damage...
7. So yes a generalization of all muslims are wrong. It is done because passive support of terrorist actions is still support. Think for yourself how often do you actually publicly condemned the shootings of rockets toward Israel without the word BUT at the end(and without trying to explain or justify it).