[Maritime Q-Scout]

This thread is crazy.

It's unfathomable that this would happen in today's day and age. Like another poster said, I can tell what plane it is, where it's coming from, where it's going and it's course from my phone.

There's a lot of pieces that don't look good for Russia right now. However, if There is a terrorist organization and wanted further unrest in the region this is exactly the sort of thing that would be ideal. Create further civil unrest while everyone thinks it's someone else.

We need to wait until the facts are out.

Much if what lanny9 has been saying is ridiculous (sorry lanny9 it's true). However, something he's been saying since his first post makes a lot of sense. The CIA and US military likely have a lot more information than we do. Now lanny9 is assuming that this information proves exactly what he thinks, but perhaps it doesn't. Perhaps the cause or culprits are people we haven't thought of or are not aware exist. Perhaps it's exactly what he thinks and the US is being strategic by being passive, to have a better tactical advantage in the coming hours/days? It's also a big coinsidence that MH17 crashed on the 17th.

Regardless, we don't have any proof of what happened. Nothing that we can say beyond a reasonable doubt it was X.

Let's take a breath. Focus on the families and nations in mourning, and see if we can't figure out away to prevent this from ever happening again.

May MH17 and it's passengers and crew rest in peace.