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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
I dodged evidence? What are you talking about?
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Earlier Israel's use of chemical weapons and their admittance of it was brought up with evidence, to which you responded, "If they did, which is not something I think they would admit to" which, unfortunately, completely ignored the evidence that had just been presented.
As well, you've done a lot of attacking, but you haven't addressed some of the serious issues regarding the high cost of Palestinian civilian lives by Israeli forces, when things like that come up, you either don't see them, or choose not to acknowledge them, which I find interesting.
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
Israel was barraged by rockets for how many months? Israel targets the terrorists and their assets, avoiding civilian casualties using an unprecedented system of informing civilians. Hamas targets civilians and Israel tries to avoid civilians. This is all more than obvious.
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That's true, they do indeed warn citizens when possible. Usually about 3-5 minutes ahead of the bombing, using a phonecall or a drone. Sometimes the tactic works, other times they bomb without warning, bomb the wrong property, cause significant collateral damage, or send a warning a bomb nothing at all. How are the bombed sites usually decided upon? Usually by neighbours that "inform" on other neighbours, with deeply questionable amounts of checking down by the military.
It's certainly not a bad thing, but it does not absolve them of killing more civilians? I think we can both logically agree that senseless killing needs to stop on BOTH sides.
If there is one member of Hamas in a house, and 5, 6, 7, any number of civilians (including children) Israel still goes ahead with the bombing. Is the death of one Hamas worth a whole family of innocent lives?
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
I think you are beyond confused, seriously. You think this is even a debate or worthy of a post?
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No need to be rude. I'm genuinely curious what, in your mind, justifies the extremely lopsided civilian death counts. Israel isn't really killing many terrorists with these attacks, but they ARE killing many civilians. You don't find that concerning? Or worth your time? Israel does no wrong simply because they phone civilians before they bomb them? Is the ultimate defeat of Hamas worth the cost?
I noticed a mention about Hamas rockets reaching major Israeli cities, but you glossed over Israeli willingly bombing downtown Gaza city without warning (which I had brought up earlier), an area DENSELY populated with civilians. I guess what I'm asking, is how is that not an act of terror to you? I don't mean to say Israel is a terrorist state, or no different than Hamas, but for the sake of a balanced discussion, how can you shine no light on some of the atrocities committed by Israel?
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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
No, I find them to be polar opposites.
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This, I think, is the most telling of anything you've said. There is good intentions on both side. Their differences are many, and it is without any doubt that Hamas is the worse party in this conflict. However, the similarities in some facets of how they conduct war are undeniable. If you truly view the two without bias, on an even playing field like you ask of others, that should be incredibly clear.
I find the staunchly pro-Israel people such as yourself a bit frustrating, not because of your interest in the many truly shameful acts of Hamas, but rather your complete ignorance over some very shameful acts by Israel.