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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Reinhart was not 'far better'. By all accounts Reinhart and Bennett were an absolute toss up.
As for Domi getting more points than Horvat, yes but Horvat had other qualities that made the two close. Bennett's PPG was way better. Completely different. It's really not that hard to understand.
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I never said far better. I said far greater favourites at making the number 1 pick. Evidently, considering Ekblad went first and Buffalo took Reinhart 2nd I don't really see any argument to that.
And I feel like you're missing the point about Horvat as you keep bringing up PPG. He wasn't picked for his PPG, pure and simple. There were several players with far greater statistical seasons picked behind Horvat, some players like Mantha were picked quite a few spots below him. Horvat was chosen where he was, for better or worse for Canuck fans, because of his two-way play. He was considered the most "complete" player in the draft by pretty much everyone. Not everyone had him ranked in the top 10 but everyone saw his strong face-off, strong defensive play, leadership and signs of offense in his draft year. The comparisons he received to players like Bergeron and O'Reilly weren't completely unfair - and neither of those players had that great of PPG either heading into their drafts. If Gillis thought Horvat was the next Bergeron, and remember Gillis has first hand experience and probably nightmares going up against Bergeron, he would have most definitely though about taking Horvat over Bennett given the opportunity. That doesn't mean he would be right or that Bennett is a worse prospect or anything like that, just that Gillis was high on Horvat, low PPG and all.
For the 2013, and I have the luxury of retrospect, but I think there was a couple tiers:
Tier 1: MacKinnon
Tier 2: Jones, Barkov and Drouin
Tier 3: Lindholm and Monahan
Tier 4: Pretty much everyone picked between 7-15 of the draft (Nichushkin is here because of the KHL factor or I would probably have him higher).
I don't know if there would be much disagreement with that, seemed to be generally accepted prior to the draft last year. So where does Bennett fit? I'd put him below Monahan.
As for your own words, at least before the were chosen to be a Canuck and a Flame:
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
I think either Monahan or Lindholm will still be there at #8, and if not you settle fo Horvat
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You yourself didn't seem to be so low on Horvat prior to the draft either. Seemingly putting him just below Monahan and Lindholm in a similar fashion to me. At the same time, I guess you disagree with my tiers if you thought there was a chance of Monahan and Lindholm being available at 8.
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
If Monahan were in this year's draft, he would be in the conversation for top 3, IMO, ahead of Bennett
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And yet you also put Monahan ahead of Bennett a couple months ago.
So, by your own words that I don't think I'm reading in to deeply, Horvat was just behind Monahan and Monahan was ahead of Bennett. Seems to me they would be in about that same tier then. No?