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Originally Posted by Nage Waza
You attempted to compare Hamas rockets vs IDF responses via death counts. You left out the fact Hamas is attacking from their population centre. If Israel defends itself from rockets there will certainly be collateral damage. If Hamas desired to 'defend' their civilians, they would not fire from the roof of a school or the roof of an unwilling family.
If you would include the amount of rockets fired let's say over the past year and IDF responses that would interesting.
And your suggestion would be what? Gaza has problems that stem from Hamas. Israel is avoiding marching soldiers and putting them at risk. If the killing of civilians is your issue, I would imagine you would be complaining about the goals of Hamas.
I am. Hamas is a terrorist organization and they are the reason Israeli soldiers are firing at rocket sites and operatives. Israel does not kill civilians without hesitation - they sat back while hundreds of rockets were fired. I didn't see much outcry globally or on this site.
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I'm not making suggestions. I just posted a factual news article without bias, as information for anyone who wanted to read it. Your motive is clearly to highlight one side of the dispute, I, however, have no motive other than providing information I find interesting. You attack anyone that says anything that may cast a negative light on Israel, that's unfortunately all you do.
Again, I present these facts without bias, and I present them without intention towards one side or the other. I do not defend either side. They are simply numbers, take them as you will:
Fact:
The Second Infitada lasted from 2000-05 and was the result of Palestinian demonstrations that were met with Force by Israeli police.
Death toll from SI:
Israeli - 1503 (719 civilians)
Palestinian - 4789 (2204-3000 civilians)
Fact:
In the Gaza War, (started by rocket attacks from Palestinian forces) Israel created a ceasefire through sheer military strength.
Death toll from the Gaza War (08/09):
Israeli - 13 (4 confirmed as friendly fire plus 500+ injured)
Palestinian - 1166-1400+ (5000+ injured)
Fact:
Operation Pilar of Defence (2012) was yet another "official" conflict between the two. The conflict was started a 24 hour 100+ rocket assault by Palestinian militants (which was caused by the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, among other things). Both sides claimed victory.
Death toll from OPD:
Israeli - 2 soldiers (20 injured), 4 civilians (219 injured)
Palestinian - 55-120 soldiers (29+ injured), 57-105 civilians (900+ injured)
Fact:
Israel has killed more Palestinians in every year of combat between the two. Not only that, but Israel has specifically killed more Palestinian civilians and children by an almost astronomical percentage.
Deaths since 1987 (from opposing force):
Israeli - 1500+ (140+ children)
Palestinian - 8000+ (1500+ children in just the last 14 years)
While these numbers may be from Hamas "hiding behind" their civilians as suggested, make no mistake, Israel is killing extreme numbers of civilians and children. I am not military personnel, but I would suggest they find alternate solutions instead of being comfortable with the massacre of 1000's of innocent men, women, and children. They are not a terrorist organization, so they need to begin acting like it and seeking ways to save innocent people rather than killing them. I would buy your defence of their actions, if they hadn't been killing significantly higher numbers of civilians for decades on end.