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Originally Posted by _Q_
The Jewish immigrants have brought a lot to the Middle East, just as any immigrant population does.
I remember my Grandmother telling me stories about her mom traveling from Haifa to Jerusalem to see a Jewish Doctor that was the best in the entire region. I also remember hearing stories about how my Great Grandfather had Jewish employees and co-workers that were his best friends and how he could relate to them just as much as his Arab buddies.
The State of Israel though, I can't get behind it. At least not in its current iteration. Have they brought anything good to the region? I don't know. Democracy, education, women's rights, freedom...etc. Sure, but I can't look past the fact that more than a third of the people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean don't get to enjoy those things. They brought all those things for themselves and themselves only and decided to oppress the ones that don't belong to the correct religion.
In any democracy, minorities are protected. I'm not calling for mob rule where parties like Hamas or their equivalent on the Jewish side can run for office, murder non-muslims and impose sharia law. What I envision is a secular democracy that guarantees the rights of everyone within its borders and protects its citizens from external threats.
And if it's going to be anyone that can help this sort of thing happen, it is the open minded, peace loving Jews that can help their like minded Arab brothers and sisters get to that point.
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In any democracy minority rights should be protected but frequently arent. Look a the treatment of any group in a powerless situation. Blacks, gays, women etc have been oppressed by the majority in democracy. When you have that much hate there is no way Isreal can trust that it wont become another arab theocracy as soon as they lose their majority in the army.
Even yourself who seems moderate said in this thread that there is nothing good about Israel. So if you have the most liberal position that doesnt instill much trust that once you have one state where the Jewish population is the minority.