This thread really demonstrates the dynamic over there quite effectively. It's a complex, 2 sided conflict, with both sides refusing to see it as a 2 sided conflict because the other side has done something to piss them off recently.
Can you imagine Nage Waza and _Q_ sitting at a table and hashing out ideas for a solution?
Or would it more likely end in one of them throwing the table at the other and leaving?
.... and these guys both come across as extremely rational and level headed compared to I'm sure what you'd find in the middle of it.
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