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That's very different since N... is commonly accepted as being a slur for years. Redskins might be at worst more similar to calling an African American a negro or black. And is also on the same level as calling a Native American an Indian. All words that have roots in describing a skin color, and all words that did not start out as being slurs.
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So it's the level of slur that's relevant? The Mississippi Negros would be acceptable because it isn't as bad a N*gger?
That's like saying "it's ok for me to call you a d*uchebag because I didn't call you an a**hole".
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What's the source of that list? The few organizations I Googled seem to not even have a web presence except to be listed as against Native American mascots in general. Does that list represent the majority of Native Americans? The movement from within that community seems to be against all types of names and mascots, so that does not really prove that they think it is a slur.
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List was from Wikiepdia which is generally reliable if sourced. I misread the sources (assumed that the citation was for all above as they usually state that a fact/lost requires citation). That's what I get for posting before I go to bed.
Regardless here are the citations listed, I'll edit the above post.
http://www.aimovement.org/ncrsm/index.html
http://www.changethemascot.org/wp-co...dskins_Use.pdf
http://www.ais.illinois.edu/document...eading-red.pdf
http://m.newson6.com/story.aspx?stor...1&catId=112042
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I think that brings up a different argument entirely, and that is whether all Native American team names and mascots and Tomahawk chops should be eliminated? And that seemed to be the argument that started 15-20 years ago. Maybe they should be. But I'd still like to have some kind of accurate poll of what that community really thinks. Maybe the majority are sports fans and actually feel well represented by some of the names and logos. When this movement started, no one was talking about Redskins being a slur. It is only over the last 2-3 years that some people decided to start calling it a slur.
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No it's the same argument, just a progression of it.
Names of teams that honour Native American tribes are likely fine, in the same way that team names that honour other groups of people are fine (Canucks, Canadiens, Texans comes to mind).
As for Tamahawk chop, mascots etc, if the Native American communities think it's inappropriate then they should stop.
Alas this isn't something that will change all at once. You have to start somewhere, change takes time and happens incrementally.
Cleveland is taking small steps to gradually make the team less offensive. It's mind boggling that Washington is digging in their heels.