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Originally Posted by rotten42
Exactly....people are mentally soft. They lack commitment. Then they have others enabling them to be that way by coming up with phrases like "Fat shaming" and Thin privilege". You can call obesity a disease if you like but many diseases are preventable with committed lifestyle choices.
You choose to smoke, the diseases you get were voluntary
You drink too much...same thing
You stuff your face with food and never get off the couch, then the hypertension, blocked arteries and such are a choice.
Yes, this is a bit over the top but our society is so quick to jump on things and make excuses for it. Next time something isn't going right ion your world no matter what it is, you should look long and hard in the mirror first.
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These aren't equivalent to what is being discussed though. The question is not whether getting heart disease from being obese is a disease, of course it is. The questions is whether or not the obesity itself (which casues the other problems) is a disease.
Lung cancer is a disease you can get from smoking, is the addicition also a disease? Alcoholism can cause a host of problems, but alcohol addiciton is a disease as well.
I personally haven't read a whole bunch about it, and never considered myself to be obese (overweight and out of shape for sure), but I've never known what the line is.
I fully give myself credit for my initial weight loss, and blame myself for the partial regression i've seen over the past few months. But that doesn't mean I might not also have a genetic predisposition to "glutony" or "laziness". Whether or not that's true or possible I have no idea, and I certainly don't look at it for an excuse, and wouldn't even if it was cut and dry true.
For example, Psycnet says he can eat anything he wants and not gain weight, and smoke socially but not be addicited to it and he can likely do the same with drinking. So is it not possible that is a biological thing? Certainly his metabolism is. I know people that look like Ryan Reynolds and haven't done a sit up in their lives and I know people that work out daily who can't seem to take it off. I don't consider myself someone afflicted with this, but when faced with a choice of cake vs apple as an intelligent person I know that choosing the cake is the wrong choice, but I still make it. We call it will power, but couldn't will power be a genetic trait just like addiction?
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Originally Posted by Wood
If you lose the drive and go back to old habits you're not going to be successful. Just like any addiction, you need to fight the urges and stick to what needs to be done, and if you want to lose it long term you have to live that lifestyle forever. Its extremely difficult especially if you arent committed to being completely healthy, but its possible
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Yes and the question here is whether or not those urges and that difficulty (something that seems more difficult for some than others) is something biological or just a lack of will power and/or knowledge.