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Originally Posted by MattyC
Well if you want to bring women into the conversation, it's not like they're all cute and innocent when it comes to "games" in relationships/interactions. Acting interested purely to get drinks because they know they can, dragging along 'nice guys" because they like the attention, etc...
Of course not all women do these things, and its actually likely a pretty vasty minority (just like the pick up artists are for men). But I don't think it's a stretch to say that the liklihood of men that act this way CAN BE a direct result of being screwed over by women in the past.
Personally, I know I went through a pretty bad experience with a good friend that I was crazy about. It definitely wasn't the first time I had ended up in that scenario, but it affected me the most for sure. I honestly became an a-hole. And I think it was more I was fed up with the way I was being walked over and didn't want to deal with women at all anymore, so I didn't approach them. But I was definitely getting approached much more once I started to care less and less about the counter part. It did not however make me feel good at all. And I feel like the reason I didn't care is because I cared for my friend so much.
I actually met my current girlfriend this way. She is amazing, but we were back and forth for almost two years while I worked through all that BS. And I would have definitely lost her if I didn't snap back into it.
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That's not really what I meant by trying to make the forum more inclusive of women.
Anyway, I'm not suggesting that moderators should be putting limits on the sort of discussion that has taken place in this thread. I am certainly not suggesting that the (oddly-named) "You Love, You Lose" thread should be deleted (heaven forbid). I am not even suggesting that Estrada should stop posting his brut-cologne-scented state trooper brand of nonsense (because I find it hilarious).
However, I think it is also important to have posters like rubecube voicing his concerns. I think that those posts might encourage non-male, non-heterosexual, non-alpha people reading the thread to feel safe to participate.