[Thor]

Originally Posted by strombad

If it makes your life easier, great I suppose, but women are just human beings like anyone else, you don't need any special techniques to talk to them. There isn't some magic formula.

Actually there are things that work, and things that don't. The whole premise about this stuff is you want them to have fun and feel comfortable, you can certainly argue about how people use these skills and make judgements on the morality of knowing only too well what triggers to push to get what you want, social engineering and all that.

Just look at it this way: How would you look at some guy if he had to watch a video on "How to chat with friends!" just so he could go out for drinks with his buds? A little unfortunate and embarrassing, of course. It's the same thing. You could say it in a nice way if you wanted, but the guy would definitely be a "loser."

Guess you don't have or know socially akward people, or those who suffer from asbergers. I do and for them learning about how to interact with people helps, not everyone is as amazing as you

My point is simply that videos and books and all that stuff are really embarrassing and disrespectful things to admit to using. The idea that you need a lesson on how to talk to a woman treats them like they're something more or less than human. They're just people. Just talk to them like people. It isn't magic.

Actually you must not understand what these guys are teaching because its exactly this they mostly try to get across. A lot of it is teaching guys with low self esteem and confidence how to become more confident and feel better about themselves. The bar is an environment where women often feel instantly stand off ish when men approach, and the nicer you are more often than not you will be received badly. Come in with confidence, humor and fun, and you will get treated differently, I speak from hard learned experience.

Its exactly about the reality of trying to gain the interest of a woman you like, and sorry but there is a science to it whether you like to accept it or not, all you have to do is learn how to be a better person, how to make people enjoy your company rather than them waiting for the moment for you to leave them a lone.

Just look at Dion. He goes and he talks to them like they're human beings, and it seems to turn out just fine for him. Again, if you need to watch a video to learn to talk to people like they're people, you should probably just die alone.

Again, you seem to fundamentally misunderstand this whole pick up art, its an art, and the best guys at it treat women well and get treated well in return. But women do as a rule prefer certain ways of being approached and flirted with, not all of course but as long as you know how to read the signs you won't make an idiot of yourself.

As with all skills in life, learning more about what works and what doesn't has nothing to do with what kind of person you are, even though you seem to want to judge them harshly. I've never had trouble talking to women, but I am always open to learning more to improve myself, and while there are things in the pick up artist community that bother me, as a whole its helping thousands of guys all over the world meet women and improve their lives.

You are aware there a lots of lonely guys missing out on life because they just don't know what they are doing, these guys need help, and I'm very happy there is something out there to help them. Now what guys do with it is another thing, some will use their powers for good, some for evil, but that is with all things.