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Originally Posted by maverickstruth
Enh, I see what you're saying but I don't know that I agree - I don't think a lie always has to be intentional. Any falsehood can be construed as a lie, intentional or not.
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I can honestly say I've never seen or heard the word "lie" used as a synonym for incorrect or mistaken or misled, that's the entire difference between lying and simply being wrong. "Guess how many apples are in this box?" "12." "Haha that's such a lie, there's 11!"
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Originally Posted by maverickstruth
You've got a group of people telling another group of people that something they are experiencing isn't actually there. That they're making it up. It "sounds" to me an awful lot like...
Person A: "I feel sick when I eat foods that contain gluten."
Person B: "You're just making it up. This study proves it."
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But they're not, no one is saying people are making their experiences up, either in this thread or in the science study, or even the media.
What they are saying is the plural of "anecdote" is not "data", and correlation does not equal causation. A study might not prove that something is fake, but you also have to start with the provisional conclusion that a something isn't real until it's been demonstrated to be real.
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Originally Posted by maverickstruth
Anyway. I think we're into the realm of semantics now anyway. Ultimately, I agree that in general, most folks (here and elsewhere) aren't trying to be malicious.
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Agreed; assuming something doesn't exist prior to it's being shown to exist isn't an insult, it's the most reasonable default position. And people can get a little forward about it because so much of our society still fosters and encourages magical thinking and flawed reasoning, sometimes in ways that cause harm to everyone.