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Originally Posted by cDnStealth
What the hell are you on about? It's been well documented over the years that Microsoft has lost money on the Xbox (in terms of hardware sales). They've always taken hits on their consoles (as has everyone not named Nintendo) and the One is no different. That doesn't make it not profitable because they can recoup that money through software sales, subscriptions etc.
And I did look at their quarterly reports. But saying you made $24.5B as an entire company and that you sold 3.9M Xbox Ones doesn't tell you anything close to the whole story. They're not going to publish that they sold 3.9M Xbones but took a $100 hit on each unit. Now I have no idea what kind of dollar amount they lose per One, nor do I know what Sony loses on theirs but they do lose money on hardware sales. FACT.
How about next time you be less of a condescending ass.
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maybe...how about next time you be less of an incompetent moron.
unnecessary insults out of the way? good; let's get to the interesting stuff...the numbers.
I already posted that one interpretation was that the hardware of both companies lost $8B in total
last gen. And I already posted that both of the
new consoles appear to be profitable based upon the publicly available information. M$ claim to be breaking even or slightly better on a $500 xbox one here:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...ng-from-launch
You posted that
"M$ is definitely losing money on their Xbox division", which i disagreed with. you can check a good breakdown here:
http://www.microsoft.com/Investor/Ea...rformance.aspx You can mouseover and see charts of previous quarters and FYs.
Unfortunately, there is no complete breakdown of all things Xbox, at least that i could find.
I don't disagree that M$ and Sony might bury charges and other items in their books, and i don't disagree that hardware might be sold at a loss to get to the profitability of games and other attachments. However...
M$ shows that Devices and Consumer Hardware division earned $300 million gross margin total over the last 4 quarters; this group includes Surface and Xbox (both 360 and One).
M$ shows that Devices and Consumer Other division earned $1.7B gross margin total over the last 4 quarters; this group includes Xbox Live.
According to publicly available information, the "Xbox Division" responsible for hardware as it is calculated and included in the M$ books, definitely made money over the last 4 quarters. That is a fact. It doesn't matter that you "know" that it didn't; the facts are that the published and audited public accounts of the divisions where the xbox is found made money, including the hardware division.
To wrap things up, i have no issues with your posts or you personally as a poster. However the "xbox division", hardware or software, didn't lose money for the last 4 quarters, which was my point.