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Originally Posted by Parallex

Because he's never been an excellent GM (and to be fair he's never been a bad one either). I don't have people start with an "A" grade and then get to lose it... IMO they gotta earn that grade.

Am I correct in assuming then that you would hold the same position for any person the Flames had hired with no prior GM experience? Again, my real problem with your posts is your persistent refusal to acknowledge the value of Treliving's accomplishments.

Originally Posted by Parallex

Except that he's not... more accurately he'd be like a top-three draft pick that you'd never seen play and that had no available individual stats to peruse. If someone went out and drafted a player like that in the top 3 most fanbases would freak-out regardless of whether he had glowing reports or not.

So, you reject my analogy because he was not well known among fans. That is preposterous. The FACT is that Brad Treliving has been very highly regarded among hockey professionals for a long time now. Do you take issue with their opinion? From where I sit, it is the only one that really matters, and if hockey experts agree that Treliving is one of the best up-and-coming GMs in waiting, then who am I—who are you—to argue with them?

Originally Posted by Parallex

Would they quickly change their tune if said player then showed that he was worth the pedigree? Of course they would. By that standard Treliving is getting off easy. Really though their not equivalent situations and I think calling him 'like a top-three draft pick' is a little bit of revisionism... I'm scanning the 'who do we want as GM' thread... not a lot of pining for Treliving so it's not like he was a known commodity ala Nill pre-Dallas.

You're right about him being an unknown commodity among fans, but why would you even care about that? (For the record, Treliving's name did actually come up a handful of times in the same company with Futa and Benning close to the beginning of the Flames' GM search.) Treliving most certainly WAS a known commodity within the hockey world, and among NHL executives, and all we have heard from these people about him has been overwhelmingly positive. He IS a top three draft pick: In the sense that he was at the top of everyone's list of who they wanted to run their organisation if there was vacancy.

Originally Posted by Parallex

Sorry, the org hasn't earned the cred lately to go off and make hires and expect an immediate vote of confidence on whomever they hire absent a record. That kind of cred was spent a long long time ago. They gotta earn back.

Whatever. When I look at Treliving's resumé it is impossible not to be impressed. It is silly to hold the franchise's past mistakes against them when they have hired a quality person.

If you have a problem with Treliving beyond his lack of experience as a GM, then you should spell it out more clearly. He isn't a great or even a good GM yet, but like I said earlier, he has the qualities that would seem to indicate he will be very successful in his new job.