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Originally Posted by SebC

Speaking of bad science, how does surveying men about their attitudes towards consentual sex invalidate data from actual rapes? For instance: men will be more persistent with women who are sober. That's because if she were sloshed, it would be rape. That doesn't mean women who are sloshed are less likely to be raped whatsoever. Honestly, if you want to critique methodology, you need to look at your supporting evidence with the same critical eye that you use for mine.

I think self-reporting is a bad methodology in pretty much all circumstances, but I think it would be more appropriate to ask rapists what their motivations were for raping someone than to ask rape victims why they were raped.

Nope. Informed speculation. Do I know with 100% certainty that rapes would decrease in a hypothetical situation where all women were to dress more modestly and never drink? I don't. Perhaps rapists would not be deterred. It's possible, although rather implausible, that women who at higher risk merely shift that risk away from other women, but I think that's unlikely.

You'll have to explain to me how what a woman wears makes her more or less vulnerable to rape. Otherwise I would think that a rapist would look for some other sign of vulnerability.

Sikhs would suffer less anti-Sikh discrimination if they don't wear traditional attire. Should they make that trade? That's not for me to decide. So what should women wear? Whatever they want. But they should be aware of the risks.

It's not a should they, it's should we as a society accept a culture where they have to. I'm asking if you have some suggestions on what clothing women should wear if they want to avoid getting raped because, in my opinion, what constitutes provocative is probably pretty subjective. Honestly, your explanation makes about as much sense as telling women to stay out of the workplace because they'll face less risk of sexual harassment at home.

Entirely useless as an explanation of what you meant, so thanks!

If provocative dress is such a big factor in rape, why are rape statistics virtually similar or in some cases more prominent in countries where women on the whole dress more modestly? Your argument might make sense if the majority of women getting raped were drunk, white girls in mini-skirts but that's not the case.

19% is 19%. If you can reduce your odds of a heart attack by 19%, that's mitigation. I never claimed 100% mitigation.

Sure, if you want to be a heartless dick about it. "Hey, sucks that you got raped, but maybe if you had worn some slacks instead of that skirt you would've had 19% less chance of it happening. Keep that in mind for next time!"

If it's a crime of opportunity, then it stands to reason that there are risk factors you control - you can determine whether or not you are an easy opportunity.

Except everything you're advocating is based on post-hoc speculation.

If burglars are the problem why are homeowners the ones who have to adjust their behaviour? They don't have to... but they should be aware of the risk factors, not kept in the dark because those who would educate them are labelled as apologists for criminals.

You're missing my point. I have no problem with people pointing out the methods that rapists use to attack their targets. Saying watch your drink at a club or try not to let someone isolate you is a lot different than saying "Well you're partially to blame because in my opinion, what you were wearing is pretty slutty."