[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

What are you basing this on? Your own copious research into climatology? So far all you've produced in terms of real scientific research is either outdated, not in a major refereed journal or produced by a conservative think tank. The other side has weighed in with the NAS, the IPCC, and Science--which in case you don't know, is along with Nature, the leading journal in the sciences, not some left wing screed. The conclusion? The overwhelming evidence leads to a consensus among scientists that anthropogenic global warming has been happening for 50 years.

I'm basing it on the fact that global climate fluctuates on it's own. it has been much higher in our past than it is now - why is that? The Egyptians weren't touring around in Peugots. Human release of GHG's account for somehting like 0.14% of the total GHG's.. Clearly and undeniably - that is not sufficient enough to raise the CO2 in the atmosphere from 200 ppm to 360 now is it?

Yet you choose to side with the fringe scientists, for reasons I don't quite get. Why won't you apply your same test to those guys? There's a lot they don't know--because they spend more time trying to debunk the research of others than on doing research of their own. They don't admit to their lack of knowledge--they often present their fringe viewpoint as if it were accepted fact. And generally speaking they use no timeline at all.

Also, why have people like Tim Ball suddenly changed their tune from "global warming is a myth" to "global warming isn't caused by humans"? To borrow a favourite rhetorical flourish of yours--if you can't see the agenda there, it's because you don't want to.

I can't speak to Tim Ball's motivations - but the facts he presented were clear and not in disoute as far as I can tell. Can you see some FACTS that are incorrect?