[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze

So let me phrase this in the form of a puzzler?

Is a masturbating monkey demonstrating 'self-awareness'?

I suppose you could argue that either way.

One group could say it's simply a learned behavior, just a simple reward based behavior

and another group could say that the monkey clearly understands that it can cause itself pleasure, and that this is a sign that it is self aware.

Tough call, but I suppose if say the monkey seens another monkey spanking the human, and then figures out that he can pleasure himslef in the same way, that would be a pretty clear indication of self awareness. At least I would say so.