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Originally Posted by calculoso
In your ideal dream world, what would you do? What would be your plan?
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Well, I'd prefer to stick in the real world. I would enact Kyoto, barring any other environmental strategic alternatives. Were others to pop up, I'd take a serious look at them and judge which is best.
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Who says this has to be a mutually exclusive situation?
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Well... it shouldn't. I'm using personal experience (hence; "I"), and it seems to me that more people I debate this stuff with are interested in retracting Kyoto than researching a new alternative.
Have you heard of any new alternatives? Cause I've certainly heard a lot of bashing Kyoto... It certainly should not be a mutually exclusive situation, but my personal experience points that way.
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Essentially what you're saying is that "something is better than nothing". That is true. What a lot of others (including me) are saying is that something IS better than nothing, unfortunately Kyoto is not that something.
You even admit that Kyoto is not perfect, yet you do not want to put your ideas on the table and make another proposal. Others are doing the same thing and you are calling them on it. I'm going to call you on the same thing. Try coming up with your own solution instead of piggy-backing on someone else's. You'll find it's not as easy as you think.
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I hear ya. I pick Kyoto. Its not perfect, but its the best we have. I don't think anyone in this thread is actually capable of, on their own, thinking of a new comprehensive environmental strategy. In fact a huge meeting was already conducted to try and create a strategy... Kyoto.
? 'Piggybacking' an existing strategy is better, as far as I'm concerned, than 'piggybacking' the 'lets do nothing' or 'lets trash Kyoto... and replace it with...' crowds. Like I've said ad nauseum, something has to be done, if not Kyoto, what? I seriously and eagerly await any other bodies out there to put forth an international solution. I have a job (as I'm sure the rest of you do), and can't spend the time/effort to do these things myself. Thats why I've chosen from the options in front of me (very minimal). When there are more options, maybe I'll change my tune.
As far as I'm concerned, we all have the same 3 choices on the table. Follow Kyoto, follow another strategy, or do nothing. So far I feel like I'm picking the first, and many others the last. I don't feel like I'm copping out by picking the 'best available' strategy presented to me. I'm just questioning those who blindly refute it, yakking about $ and hippies and cows.