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Old 02-28-2014, 10:40 AM   #166
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It creates a dichotomy and is now a mongrelized term associated with its counterpoint creationism.
Not by science, only by those who try to undermine the science of evolution with faith.

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The idea of evolution makes sense, there is sense and research to back it up but the argument loses ground when it excludes the possibility of anything other than deterministic physical law.
It doesn't lose ground in terms of explanatory power at all. Science in general and evolution in particular doesn't exclude the possibility of anything other than physical processes (deterministic physical law is a bit of a canard since lots of physics isn't deterministic, but I don't think you meant it that way), science just speaks to what it can detect. If the process is detectable then science can examine it. If it isn't detectable, then it can't and there's no reason to include it in a scientific description. The universe might have been created last Tuesday complete with memories and everything, but science can't tell.

If it looses ground in terms of culture wars or whatever, then that's not the fault of the scientific process.

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The debate between the two creates a polarity of philosophy that is unnecessary.
Totally agree, science describes the universe as best as it can, disagreeing with it based on an ideology of a literal interpretation of a creation myth of some religion is an unnecessary polarity.

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Its foolish to claim one knows everything about spirituality when the debate becomes defined by deism vs atheism.
It's creationists though that try to frame the debate that way, they try to equivocate evolution with atheism in order to manipulate their flock. Evolution says nothing about the existence of god(s).

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Its like the boundaries are defined before the conversation/debate begins.
Well some boundaries are, reality is what it is regardless of what we'd like, that's a boundary.
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