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Originally Posted by GGG

A servers incentive is to maximize tips from all tables not from your table.

So you are saying the server should be SELFISH and not CARING about ALL their tables, just SOME?

So never say a server should be 100% correct, that is not their job. 98% or 99% allows restaurants to be cost effective.

Actually their job is to be 100% correct. They want a perfect score, don't they?

You arent buying a slave. You are purchasing an experience.

You are buying a slave(meaning to work as HARD as they can). They are there to do your EVERY WHIM at your table within reason. It is within reason to ask you if you want a refill.

By its nature this arrangement involves giving up control.

Not if I am *****PAYING FOR THE SERVICE******** I AM NOT. I AM IN THE CONTROL BOX WHEN MY MONEY IS INVOLVED WITH THE TIP. If the server was paying me a tip or there was no such thing as tipping, then I'd gladly agree with you, but that's not how it really is.

How can you tell someone how to spend *******THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY*****, huh? You can't legally do that and you know it. It's OUR DRINK, OUR DECISION, PERIOD, END OF STORY!

In fact what you are paying for is for someone elses interpretation of food.

No, I am not paying for that. I am paying for someone to do work for me at the table I am sitting at, not the chef's or cook's work.

The best restaurants only have a few items on their menu because the chef wants to provide an experience to you. The loss of control is part of the experience.

What does a chef have to do with what my SERVER does in my service, huh? As I said before, my tip money CONTROLS MY SERVER'S BEHAVIOR. For example, if I tell them up front to not give me refills without asking, do you honestly think they are going to still give me refills without asking so they get points off the tip? Of course not. They will do as *I* want, *I* SAY SO, I CONTROL, GET IT?

If there wasn't a tip I was paying, then I'd agree there wouldn't be any control. I am also not tipping the chef, so leave things that have ZERO to do with this out of this conversation.

Finally I expect professional service not a slave,

That's you, I expect a slave(a very hard worker that tries their best).

a professional in any occupation is able to anticipate the needs of the customer

What if they predict wrong such as they gave you your check, but you wanted a dessert? That's not good when the anticipate your needs when you wanted to order your dessert. That's wasting time for the customer and other customers, paper, ink, and money of the restaurant.

No one should be controlling someone else's TIP MONEY. Don't you want what *YOU* want for *YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY*? So does everyone.

and meet them without needing specific direction.

You need specific direction when not everything is an always known thing without communication. Sometimes you predict wrong.

If I have to explain every detail of from how I want my forks arranged to how I want my drink refilled I might as do it myself.

Forks arranged is something that happens *BEFORE* the service has started. If you are talking about what they give you, what's the difference where they give you your fork at if it's 2 spaces over or something?

You should explain how you want your drink refilled since not everyone wants it like you since everyone is DIFFERENT in this world and likes things DIFFERENT WAYS and no one can read minds, not even you.

If you would rather do it yourself, why don't you?

We pay these professionals to take care of our needs.

But it may not be your needs. You may want something else to drink. Don't you see that? You may not even want a refill or want your check instead. You don't get this, do you?

We pay them to do what ****WE*** want for *******OUR TIP MONEY****. We don't pay them to do what *OUR SERVER WANTS*, do we?