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Originally Posted by Red John

Perhaps things are different in the States. But in many cases (especially in the low-class chain restaurants that you go to) kitchen staff are paid out of a servers tips. 3% usually.

That's the point, that the *SERVERS* are PAYING the kitchen staff. That means it has NOTHING at ALL to do with the tip we give. That money could come from their OWN PERSONAL MONEY BEFORE WE GOT THERE. That means if I stiff a server for horrible service, that 3% STILL has to be paid to the kitchen staff(which here that is rare that servers are tipping out kitchen staff members, over here we have the bussers, bartenders, and host or hostess tip outs. Some places have food runners that are tipped out.

My point is, everyone isn't suffering if a customer doesn't tip. ONLY the SERVER IS.

Of course you won't admit that servers split tips though

They aren't splitting the tips though. They are tipping out a percentage of sales, NOT from the actual tips given, but a tip out that's REQUIRED. That means let's say if 4 tables stiff a server that shift, that server still has to tip out the sales of all of those 4 tables. Let's say one table tips 2% tip, that means the server OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKET still has to tip 1% of that table's sales.

They aren't actually "SPLITTING" the tips. The server is paying other staff members with money. That money isn't from the actual tip, it's from their own pocket. It's a separate entity.

At the donut shop/diner, we split the tips evenly with the counter help when we had more than one person. So in that situation, I actually did split tips with my co-workers. If someone didn't tip, I didn't have to tip my co-worker anything to compensate or any other staff member.

- to do so would admit that your entire posts on the Internet for the past 10 years have been for nothing. One little post from something you googled won't change that fact. Servers split tips. They really do.

No they don't. They aren't splitting tips.

Let's say my check is $50, let's say like in your example, 3% you have to pay the kitchen staff. That's a $1.50. That means that $1.50 comes from your own pocket, NOT from the actual tip, because if that customer stiffs, that means you STILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THAT $1.50 for the kitchen staff people. DON'T YOU GET THIS OR WHAT? So if a customer stiffs you, that means in your eyes the kitchen staff won't get their $1.50????

One last thing. Think about all the 1000s of people who have responded to you online over the years. Out of all of them, 6 agreed with you. Maybe a "few more" as you said. Out of thousands.

Because people are lazy and uncaring. Also, some people like control, that's why they disagree with me like the refills without asking thing.

You are saying though that all those thousands of people really secretly know that you are right after all? We are just mad and won't admit it? Just want clarification.

As I said before, most people are lazy and uncaring.