[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Azure

I disagree, but won't argue. I've said it enough times what I think.

I understand, I feel like I've been saying the same thing every time as well.

Exactly. And the US would argue the same thing. So whats the point?

Well.. many, many people here stuck it to the Liberals for their past. Many, many people around the world are sticking it to the US for their past. Thats the point, and the reason '20 years ago' still matters. It may not matter to the people who want to forget it, I understand.

Its not the idea of "get over it" but how people are still stuck on 20 years ago, and cannot understand why the US would work for freedom in Iraq, when in fact 20 years ago they opposed freedom in some South America country.

Well... I suppose because every time the US intervenes unilaterally it usually has the same rhetoric, opening markets, encouraging liberalism/democracy, deposing an evil government, etc. Its not like back then the US said 'we're kicking ass, taking names... and the country'... they said the same type of stuff liberal-democracies always say.

Still a different war. With Russia and China supporting the Viet Cong, there isn't really anyway the US would have been able to firmly win that war. Unless the North Vietnamese would have ran out of people.

Well... sure... and Vietnamese people are in Vietnam, and Iraqis in Iraq. You can find plenty of differences between the two conflicts. But I suppose I think there are also some similarities that can be drawn upon. All I recall stating was that American 'stay the course' attitude now may have been similar in 1970, regardless of what AA guns the Vietcong were using and how the Iraqis are better (these type of details don't matter in what we're talking about; winning/losing).

I really can't help that, but I know that the man in charge of troops in Rhwanda at the time, asked the UN, not the US to give him 2,000 some troops and he could shut down the genocide. Maybe France or Germany should have lent a hand.....

I don't know for sure, but that might have been Canadian Romeo Dallaire. And I agree with you, it is totally reprehensible that the UN, Germany, France, US, China, and Russia didn't get Rwanda solved. But I don't see how the UN takes the full blame while the US gets off light; they were equally responsible in solving the problem. If the UN wasn't willing to go in, where was the Coalition of the Willing? Obviously the will wasn't there.

Talking about Rhwanda here. And how you brought the US into the arguement, when we were talking about the UN.

Well, I suppose I think that if its fair for you to bring in the UN and Rwanda, its fair for me to bring in the US. I didn't have to... and neither did you re: UN.