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Originally Posted by FFR
You mention a number of recent judging controversies in the recent past in figure skating... Care to reference that? The only one I can think of is 2002 Olympics - which resulted in massive changes to the figure skating judging system. The changes resulted in a significant increase in objectivity (for all technical skills) and a reduction in the ability for a single judge to influence the outcome. I did a very quick google search and wasn't able to find any other judging issues (besides this years allegation which seems to be more propagated by the media than anything else).
Judging in these sports is not as fraught with controversy as so many seem to think. The controversy comes when media watches an event they haven't seen in four years and writes stories of outrage that their athlete didn't win for whatever reason.
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So you have a gold medal that was obviously wrong on the biggest stage that the sport has, and now the allegation that two countries judges have colluded to affect the outcome of another. Even if those are the only two, the fact that this can take place shows the flaw. Like I say we've seen issues in many other judged sports as well, and a lot of people have called things into question in this olympics regarding the slopestyle and moguls events. It might not be outright collusion (like we've seen in figure skating), but the judging is questionable just because its subjective. In other words its not always bias coming through, but completely subjective.
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Originally Posted by craigwd
I wasn't talking about margin of error. I was referring to how jumps are measured and points are awarded. Again distance is affected by wind, length of in-run, conditions, technique.
As for a Flames game you missed my point. The novice can't sit there and understand why a faceoff is where it is right away, what icing is, what constitutes an offside, why OT wins aren't part of the tie-break equation etc. after watching for a period.
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Lots of actually objectively measurable sports account for these things though. Sprinting even accounts for a headwind/tailwind.
Anyway, we're never going to convince each other. You guys are willing to accept judged events and all of their flaws, and that's great. I just think that these displays of skill and athleticism should be reserved for shows like ice-capades, but like I say we're never going to change each others minds.
