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Originally Posted by FFR
So.... because you don't agree with the fact that ski jumping is judged... it shouldn't be? Because you don't understand the judging system, the sport shouldn't be judged? Ski jumping isn't all about who jumps the farthest - that's what they've decided in their sport so who am I (or you) to say it's wrong.
As for asking about estimating scores - I certainly can't in ski jumping, or slopestyle... But I can in figure skating, and diving and aerial skiing (though I'm not nearly as consistent with aerial skiing as I just starting following it). I follow these sports regularly - not just every four years - and I know how the judging system works. There is (and can be) consistency in subjectivity.
But really, your post just further's my point... people who are all of a sudden "experts" show up every four years to throw down their opinion that the judging is "rigged" or "biased" or whatever else they want to say - with no idea how the sport works or how the judging works.
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Well the problem for figure skating in particular is that they've opened the door to this criticism on their own. It might be that I'm not an expert in these matters, but the fact is there have been a number of judging controversies in the recent past. Even this article to start the thread was brought about because an expert in the field says a deal has been made. In otherwords you might not like the armchair experts like me weighing in every four years, but the judges themselves say there is a problem!
Unfortunately all of these judged events come out that way. We've seen this with boxing at the olympics (which should be really easy to score....guy gets punched and the other gets a point, yet somehow the fighter from the country that controls the commission gets more points). Its happened in MMA and boxing at the pro-level as well with people being incensed that the "wrong" fighter was given a decision. Unfortunately its human nature.
I should note that doesn't take away from the athleticism or skill that these events take; I couldn't do what the athletes are doing. Its just that people cannot be completely objective and
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Originally Posted by craigwd
There you have it. You really can't declare a sport you watch for 15 minutes, "garbage". The same as I can't watch a Flames game for a period and understand the game.
Again, before criticizing something I still say one should try to learn more about it.
Obviously jumping the farthest counts for the most points but not every jump is the same. Points aren't just awarded for style but to also correct for wind, ramp position and proper technique. The points ensure an even playing field.
Also, jumps aren't ranked to the centimeter. It's very difficult.
If you want to see people hurl themselves off a jump with little regard for style, safety or technique and more emphasis on distance I suggest checking out Flying Ski Jump, which is not an Olympic event because it requires different hills.
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I laughed at this part. Have a look down the list. We're not talking about guys edging someone out within a margin of error. We're talking about guys jumping a couple of meters further, and that being measured and posted.
The idea of a Flames game isn't quite right either, because at the end of the game everyone knows who won. There is no one making a decision as to who they *think* won. You either scored more or you didn't. Same with sports like skiing, speed skating, etc. where you have actual measurements to determine a winner and not the potential of bias.