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Originally Posted by Ace

I'm not saying that the act of being 'Faithful' to something is correct. I'm saying that Faith will be validated (or invalidated) in the next realm.

So you mean that the truth that one has faith in will be validated or invalidated?

But what's the way to get a gauge if it will be validated or not while still in this realm? Or do we not know?

Originally Posted by Ace

Therefor it is each individuals responsibility to have Faith in what is true.

How does one determine truth then? Responsibility implies choice and requires ability to evaluate.

Originally Posted by Ace

I would also assume that most 'religions' hold that God is just, and therefor whatever He requires would be just. If I hear you correctly the example that you're describing is 'what if God is not just'?.

Not what if God is not just, more "what is just is defined by God", or at least that's the stance most believers would take. Whatever God says is just is just, regardless of what we may think, him being the creator of justice to being with. If there's a standard of justice that trancends God then God isn't the top level.

Hence the example of slavery, where the source of truth seems to justify an action that I would anticipate would result in invalidation rather than validation in the next realm. But I'm making that value judgment based on my personal morals, how do I derive a "slavery=bad" truth and have faith in it if my particular source of truth tells me that slavery=ok?

Originally Posted by Ace

This to me is outside of the realm of any major belief system on the earth, however we certainly see people doing what most would perceive as unjust acts in the name of some god. What I am saying is that although they are Faithful to their belief, they would be invalidated in the next realm if their Faith is untrue.

But there was a time when those exact same acts that we would perceive as unjust now were perceived as just then. Again how do they determine their faith is true?

Originally Posted by Ace

Therefor the debate serves no purpose, the creationist is assumably (I haven't watched this particular debate) trying to persuade people that creationism is the truth. Whereas my understanding of most Biblical definitions is that Faith is required (not choosing based on analysis).

Fair enough, it's not always consistent but the Bible does have its fair share of "don't think just believe" portions, and that's certainly along the lines of what I was taught.

Originally Posted by Ace

I think what you and I are discussing is: your questions address how do we know someone is doing the right thing now (or here), and I'm saying that the issue of Faith takes the validation to a different realm all together.

Ok, so I'm trying to understand how one goes about ensuring that validation takes place? Either there's a way to be on the right path, or it's random.

You can play Jeopardy with or without the answers, but not knowing the answer for Famous People for $100 and guessing "Who is Marilyn Monroe" and not getting the correction of "Oh sorry, you were looking for 'Who is Pinky and the Brain'" until the next realm would make learning anything pretty difficult.