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Originally Posted by photon
But then we're back to all beliefs being equal, and we know that that isn't the universe we live in. No matter how much one believes a coffee enema is going to cure autism, it's not.
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You've got the right point, but it doesn't make all beliefs the same, it's ultimately the responsibility of each person of Faith to have the correct Faith (once again you can't prove this to someone through debate.) This is different from believing what you "want" to believe. I might want to Believe that I have a God who just wants to give me a bunch of nice things, but this is far different than having Faith in God and following His principles. For instance Faith possibly means sacrifice and abolishing of personal wants and desires to live out as directed. This is where I think the debate gets lost, there are just too many people that claim Faith, but are really living out of a mentality of receiving. In my mind Faith is about giving and belief tends to be about getting, and I think a significant portion of the "Faith" group may not really be focused on the giving part. [not talking about money, more like giving yourself to your faith]
I guess I'm trying to say: Faith is not the same as Belief.