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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The gun is a tool with one purpose. The responsibility falls on a populace that combines arrogance, fear and stupidity to flood its territory with that tool and allows those same three traits to lead them into using it.

Firearms have many lawful purposes and are used in such a way by law abiding people every day. The people who own firearms do not use arrogance, fear, and stupidity to ensure that guns are available to the public. The fear driven rhetoric tactic is one used by the Bloombergs, Feinsteins, Carolyn McCarthys and Peirs Morgans of the world.

I'm sure none of the following is considered arrogant, fear driven or stupid?

...or do you actually think that fewer guns would lead to more shootings?

Chicago seems to think so.

I think we both know where the US ranks in terms of availability of guns and incidence of shootings. People who possess a tool are more likely to use it. Or maybe it's actually a localized hole in the ozone lair frying people's brains and turning them stupid.

Yes I think we do. But once again you are somehow trying to equate the possession of a tool to having influence to change ones morals. Its 100% false.

Switzerland has one of the highest firearm ownership rates in the world and enjoys some of the lowest gun crime/violent crime in the world. Adults are given a *gasp* "military style assault weapon" trained how to use it and whaddya know? A educated person makes educated decision. Once a year the gov't in Switzerland hosts a range day for the entire family where they supply ammo, give training, and generally have a good time. Plus its a national holiday.

I keep hearing this argument of how where more guns are present it equals more crime and its simply not true. I mean, its amazing that any right wing gun nut ever makes it out of a gun show alive. Just look at all those guns!

Pot, meet kettle. Your response to ernie was a bid to put words in his mouth. Don't whine about people doing to you what you do to others.

Deflect, deflect deflect...

Given you advocate a position that ensures a continued high rate of such criminal acts, then yes, I have to believe you are unsympathetic.

Hahaha just can't help yourself can you? Blame lawful gun owners for the acts of criminals, classic.

Pot meet kettle, redux. Didn't you just chastise me for allegedly passing my opinion off as fact?

Still waiting to hear how "number of mass shootings is directly linked to the number of guns available."

Pot meet kettle, the third. Now you're attempting to put words in my mouth. I've never pretended that "victims of gun crime are all hands on deck". I am, in fact, well aware that such crimes tend to lead to an increase in gun sales.

What has helped the gun industry more than anything has been the Obama administration. Like one rep at the recent shot show in Vegas said "I wish Obama could stay in office forever."

Nothing boosts the sales of a product than the postus coming out and saying those tools are a executive order away from being banned.

Like I said, fear and stupidity. You've built a society where you live in constant fear of being gunned down, and the response has become to try and arm everybody. The end result is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I asked the question earlier in this thread "Whats to be scared of?" So no. I'm not in fear of being gunned down and no, I didn't build this society of fear. That lies solely on the shoulders of the media and anti gun agenda. Everytime there is a shooting in the US, Peirs Morgan goes on the tube, and pulls the same stunt you did. That gun ownership breeds thinking that is causing all these murders and that it is insulting towards victims of crime. It doesn't pass the sniff test, and like I said earlier more and more families are sick of their tragedy being used for political leverage. The self fulfilling prophecy is condemning firearms and lawful ownership, and then when a shooting occurs everyone wigs out and goes on a "OMG AR-15!" rampage. Such as evident during the Washington navel yard shooting, where the New York Times among others couldn't wait to exclaim that a ar-15 was once again responsible for the crime. And of course it wasn't a ar-15 but that doesn't stop the media from jumping on it anyways and spreading misinformation, lies and fear.

You are free to believe what you believe

What gives myself the freedom to believe what I want?

What gives Americans the freedom to own firearms?

Picking up what I'm laying down?

and given your zealotry I realize there is zero possibility of changing your mind. But I do find it incredibly sad that you've become an enabler for others who cause the very same tragedies that you yourself have endured.

I'm an enabler for murderers? Good lord.