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Originally Posted by Shnabdabber
Well then at least try not to insult everyone's intelligence and call them what they are.
Well if the current approach isnt working then what is wrong with it? You seem to think its broken so if thats the case how would you go about fixing it?
By shift in core values you mean subjugating the 2A?
If you can explain to me why a private citizen needs to give information and control about a piece of property he owns to the gov't then I'll perhaps consider it to be a problem. Regardless, they do not have any idea where the 300+ firearms are so what difference does it make?
You're welcome, resort to condescending remarks all you want, only proves you have no clue what you are talking about. But by all means, still insist your position that the big bad NRA would still give firearms away if they could.
Americans poorly perceived gun culture has nothing to do with the gun itself and everything to do with the individual. Blaming a mass of people and punishing them for the crimes of a individual does not mean others forfeit their rights.
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Missed the back and forth between you guys, so can't really comment on that, though that's probably a good thing. But gotta take issue with a point or two here and your ultimate conclusion.
The first bolded part. It's a ridiculous argument because there are already a ton of restrictions on other property. The most obvious example being a car. You HAVE to register it. You HAVE to insure it. You HAVE to pass tests to use it. And there are pages of rules on how you can use it, where, etc. There are other rules and restrictions for all sorts of property like computers, phones, and all sorts of things. Not to mention rules for consumables like alcohol, legal and illegal drugs. For some reason though, it's guns that don't have to have rules. It's an argument that carries zero weight. All people are asking for is a small portion of what you might have to do to drive a car, and yet the NRA and 'rights boosters' (who really only champion that one right) trot out that nonsensical argument.
And the conclusion. Flawed for two reasons. One, there is enough statistical evidence that while yes, these are crimes committed by individuals there is enough of a problem to state that there is something wrong with the culture and policy too. Other countries simply don't approach the numbers in the States. That's not individuals. That's how a society looks at guns, values guns, and uses guns. Also, how one of the most powerful lobbies in the world, defends it's product, despite statistical evidence.
Two, part of being in a society is making decisions that benefit the entire society. Sometimes it does infringe on the right of an individual, but that's the price you pay in existing in a society. It's about striking a balance. There are rules for everything. Why should guns be an exception? When it comes to guns, there is no balance, which is highly strange and hypocritical considering the rules, restrictions, and bans on other things, in this supposedly free country.