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puffnstuff · 01-22-2014, 08:23 AM

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I'm still unsure why there is a stigma with 'advanced hockey statistics.' These analytics are trying to REDUCE noise and form a more accurate picture of the statistics. Empty-net goals should count for less. Secondary assists should count for less. Puck possession is important. Inflated shooting percentages should be discounted. Surely we can agree with most of these premises and should try to create a better model than 'GOALS, ASSISTS, PLUS/MINUS.'

I agree that you need a better set of data to work with and discounting EN goals and a better measure than G, A and plus/minus makes sense. But I dont think you can discount the second assist as easily. I can think of a lot of occasions where that second assist is the most important play, leads to a goal and shouldnt be discounted (and occasions where it should). This is what makes it hard to generate data in the same way you can for baseball.

01-22-2014, 08:23 AM	#53
puffnstuff Franchise Player Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: wearing raccoons for boots Exp:	Quoted: I'm still unsure why there is a stigma with 'advanced hockey statistics.' These analytics are trying to REDUCE noise and form a more accurate picture of the statistics. Empty-net goals should count for less. Secondary assists should count for less. Puck possession is important. Inflated shooting percentages should be discounted. Surely we can agree with most of these premises and should try to create a better model than 'GOALS, ASSISTS, PLUS/MINUS.' I agree that you need a better set of data to work with and discounting EN goals and a better measure than G, A and plus/minus makes sense. But I dont think you can discount the second assist as easily. I can think of a lot of occasions where that second assist is the most important play, leads to a goal and shouldnt be discounted (and occasions where it should). This is what makes it hard to generate data in the same way you can for baseball.