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Originally Posted by strombad
They are placing value in a system with a questionable value. You don't ever wonder why basement bloggers come up with posts that just "show the numbers" and paid professionals who are actually respected often don't?
It's a tiny part of the equation. You can't just trot out advanced stats and say "this is why the executives are wrong", that's why those guys don't get paid, because they're level of knowledge on the game is low.
People like that look at stats to evaluate the player. Anyone with apt hockey knowledge looks at player first, and then the stats.
The problem with advanced stats, and the problem with people who rely solely on them (and are relegated to the hockey buzz line of work) is that they exist to support an argument, not to make an argument. You can't say Bobby Ryan is a good defensive forward because advanced stats say so, nor can you say Jack Johnson is a bad defenceman. Why? Because according to advanced stats, there are plenty of bottom feeding NHLer's who should be great, and great NHLer's who should be terrible.
The system is inherently flawed, but that will never stop basement bloggers and message board fans not much different from myself from trotting it out like it holds the answer.
In this case, numbers do lie. And people who prop up advanced stats don't seem to understand that.
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I agree with you on most of this, it wasn't a negative I was saying
ideally stats or any numbers are used as a check so to speak
you either want to look at the Chara thing like I mentioned above, and say, "I think Chara is dominant and these stats completely prove it"
Or for example
"I think player Y is bad, but the stats show he is doing __________, where is the disconnect"
the worlds are not exclusive of each other
I imagine the majority of NHL teams use some type of statistical analysis right now, they just want to keep a competitive advantage so it's not talked about